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Old 09-12-2014, 05:20 AM
 
Location: Armsanta Sorad
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As someone who is not white I will take the liberty of saying this.

White people for the most part are more responsible. They have careers, and don't have 50 kids in a 1bdr apartment on food stamps. Of course there are exceptions, but normally the above is true. That is probably the reason the birth rates are declining.
Family court injustice also contributed to this.

 
Old 09-12-2014, 07:44 AM
 
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I think a lot of American people are ignorant to the fact that there are a lot of white Latin Americans, and they think all Latinos look the same, so when they meet someone that doesn't look like the idea they have of Mexicans or other Latinos, they tend to be very surprised.
 
Old 09-12-2014, 07:49 AM
 
Location: SW MO
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Family court injustice also contributed to this.
Ah, yes. I was the recipient of their brand of "fairness" in CA 20 years ago. I doubt it's improved. In those instances, children can decidedly be a financial liability; more so than raising them in a nuclear - or is that "nucular?" - family would cost. But in the end a divorce can be cheap at twice the price. Long gone are the days when a large family was considered a bonus on the family farm or ranch regardless of color.
 
Old 09-12-2014, 11:29 AM
 
Location: Where they serve real ale.
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I know. The reason there aren't draconian penalties and a good way to check on who's hiring illegals is that big biz wants the cheapest labor possible, and money talks.
Yep, that's the crux of the problem. BTW Citizens United just made the problem exponentially worse because because now big business literally can give unlimited sums and the voters don't even get to know who it is who is bribing the politicians. Just yesterday Republicans filibustered a bill which attempted to at least make it so voters get to know who is bribing who. They're not interested in solving the problem no matter how much they claim they are.
 
Old 09-12-2014, 11:32 AM
 
Location: Buena Park, Orange County, California
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Yep, that's the crux of the problem. BTW Citizens United just made the problem exponentially worse because because now big business literally can give unlimited sums and the voters don't even get to know who it is who is bribing the politicians. Just yesterday Republicans filibustered a bill which attempted to at least make it so voters get to know who is bribing who. They're not interested in solving the problem no matter how much they claim they are.
The worse part...not enough people even know that bill was going through congress. Hence, they get away with it.
 
Old 09-12-2014, 11:37 AM
 
Location: Where they serve real ale.
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The bill actually passed 54 to 46 but because of the stupidity of the filibuster passing means it fails unless 60% of people vote for it. Just restoring majority rule so that 51 votes passes a bill would greatly improve the functionality of Congress. The other thing which would hugely help is if anti-gerrymandering laws were passed.
 
Old 09-12-2014, 12:20 PM
 
Location: State of Transition
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No, they're not. They are still Latino. What you don't seem to understand is that 'Caucasian' and 'white skin' are not the same thing, for instance, there are many white-skinned Slavic peoples in the eastern parts of Europe and Russia who are not the same as the Anglos who are more traditionally from the western parts. If you read up on ethnogenesis you will find that even within these groups there are further genetic differences. Most Latinos in the southwestern US are of Mexican/Amerindian descent. Genetically, they are not the same race as the Latin peoples from Europe. The only thing the two have have in common is that they speak Spanish, and even the Spanish is not exactly the same. The fact that some intermarry with Anglos doesn't make their kids Caucasian---even though they may look more white. The third (and subsequent) generation of mixed kids can and do produce offspring that look more Latino than Caucasian (or vice versa). There is more to the science of genetics than surface appearance. Another example: If a black person has kids with a white person, that kid always takes genes from both parents. Even if the kid is as white as snow and has the bluest eyes and the blondest hair he/she is still not Caucasian, and he/she can produce kids with 100% African American features.
Don't lecture me on ethnogenesis. You missed my point entirely. Here in NM live the descendants of the Spaniards (from Spain, in case you misunderstood again) who originally settled NM (from Spain) and governed it. There are lineages that never mixed with Native people. They intermarried with each other, until Anglos began moving to NM in great numbers, in the 1960's. The only Mexican-Americans here arrived more recently. NM isn't CA. Read up on NM history. And there are descendants of CA governors and settlers (from Spain) in California, too; the Castros, the Alvarados, the descendants of Mariano Vallejo, whose daughters all married Anglos. Spaniards (from Spain) are, indeed, Caucasians/Indo-Europeans. (The term "Caucasian", like the other old terms for racial divisions: "Mongoloid", etc., are no longer considered valid, btw.) They're not Anglo-Germanic Caucasians, they're Latin. But they're no less Caucasian. You don't seem to know what "Caucasian" means. Slavs are Caucasians, as are Celts. And Iranians, for that matter.

Cau•ca•sian (kɔˈkeɪ ʒən, -ʃən, -ˈkęʒ ən, -ˈkęʃ-)

adj. Also, Cau•cas•ic (kɔˈkęs ɪk, -ˈkęz-)
1. of, designating, or characteristic of one of the traditional racial divisions of humankind, marked by fair to dark skin, straight to curly hair, and light to very dark eyes and orig. inhabiting Europe, parts of North Africa, W Asia, and India.
2. of the Caucasus region, its peoples, or their culture.
3. of or designating the non-Indo-European, non-Turkic languages spoken by the indigenous peoples of the Caucasus and adjacent areas.
n.
4. a person having Caucasian physical characteristics.

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Old 09-12-2014, 03:14 PM
 
Location: Armsanta Sorad
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Ah, yes. I was the recipient of their brand of "fairness" in CA 20 years ago. I doubt it's improved. In those instances, children can decidedly be a financial liability; more so than raising them in a nuclear - or is that "nucular?" - family would cost. But in the end a divorce can be cheap at twice the price. Long gone are the days when a large family was considered a bonus on the family farm or ranch regardless of color.
The sad part is this kind of epidemic is nationwide now.
 
Old 09-12-2014, 07:49 PM
 
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As someone who is not white I will take the liberty of saying this.

White people for the most part are more responsible. They have careers, and don't have 50 kids in a 1bdr apartment on food stamps. Of course there are exceptions, but normally the above is true. That is probably the reason the birth rates are declining.
you obviously do not live in a low-income White area, or have never worked in a Welfare office that serves low-income Whites and the homeless population. Many, many single young White mothers with 3-4 children who are not working. Homeless, transient population that can never seem to find work. People in and out of jail. Generations of families on Food Stamps.
 
Old 09-12-2014, 09:02 PM
 
Location: On the water.
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As someone who is not white I will take the liberty of saying this.

White people for the most part are more responsible. They have careers, and don't have 50 kids in a 1bdr apartment on food stamps. Of course there are exceptions, but normally the above is true. That is probably the reason the birth rates are declining.
Amazing little string of fallacies. No one has "50 kids in a one bedroom apartment", with or without food stamps. What do you get out of ridiculous hyperbole? Birth rates decline as ANY population becomes more educated and more wealthy. White people aren't any more responsible than any other group. They are just more entitled in recent history. Not to mention that a huge percentage of the world's most devastating abusers of society are rich white men. If you call their manipulative, self-absorbed behaviors "responsible" you are blind.
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you obviously do not live in a low-income White area, or have never worked in a Welfare office that serves low-income Whites and the homeless population. Many, many single young White mothers with 3-4 children who are not working. Homeless, transient population that can never seem to find work. People in and out of jail. Generations of families on Food Stamps.
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