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Old 09-17-2014, 01:34 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas, NV
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I placed this under the Illegal Immigration subforum, but it applies to all immigration - legal and otherwise. In a development country of well over 300 million people with substantial unemployment why do we need any immigration? It seems like it has some inertia of its own that can't be explained in any way that makes sense by politicians, immigration activists or employers/business. This is not an sparsely settled, wide open country of the late 1800s and eventually we need to put out the "no vacancy" sign for the sake of our standard of living/quality of life.

"Why More Immigration is Bad for America"
The beauty of this country is the innovation our people have brought. Most of those innovators were 1st or 2nd generation Americans. Steve Jobs, Elon Musk, Andrew Carnegie, Henry Ford, Alexander Graham Bell, Sergey Brin, etc. All of these innovators were either immigrants or the child of an immigrant.

They bring fresh ideas to the fold, they bring a strong work ethic and they do one thing that's really important: They diversify the gene pool.

Plus, they make food better. Go to a town in middle America with no immigrants...the food is bland, boring and likely their only restaurants are McDonald's, Olive Garden, Red Lobster and Subway. Go to an immigrant-heavy city like San Diego and you have incredible Thai, Lebanese, Iraqi, Japanese, Mexican, etc. restaurants.
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Old 09-17-2014, 01:46 PM
 
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The beauty of this country is the innovation our people have brought. Most of those innovators were 1st or 2nd generation Americans. Steve Jobs, Elon Musk, Andrew Carnegie, Henry Ford, Alexander Graham Bell, Sergey Brin, etc. All of these innovators were either immigrants or the child of an immigrant.

They bring fresh ideas to the fold, they bring a strong work ethic and they do one thing that's really important: They diversify the gene pool.

Plus, they make food better. Go to a town in middle America with no immigrants...the food is bland, boring and likely their only restaurants are McDonald's, Olive Garden, Red Lobster and Subway. Go to an immigrant-heavy city like San Diego and you have incredible Thai, Lebanese, Iraqi, Japanese, Mexican, etc. restaurants.
Legal immigration is ok just as long at it is in controlled and diversified numbers. That isn't what is happening today. Illegal immigration is completely unacceptable. The early immigrants you mentioned assimilated into our country and to our national language but those of late not so much. Nothing wrong with ethnic food and I enjoy much of it but that doesn't mean we have to import millions from those countries to enjoy ethnic food here.
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Old 09-17-2014, 02:09 PM
 
Location: Where I live.
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Irrational. If a legal citizen from a different "culture" is eligible for the same taxpayer-funded services as everyone else.

Just what is American "culture" ?



What part of there is no national language do you not understand?



That is not "special treatment." At one point Italian, Greek, Mexican, and a slew of other foods would classify as "special."
You don't know what American culture is? Are you not an American citizen?

Do you disagree that the overwhelming majority of American CITIZENS speak English? Is it or is it not the dominant language of this country? I don't care whether it's "official" or not.

The definition of halal: denoting or relating to meat prepared as prescribed by Muslim law.

MUSLIM law. This is not a muslim country, and for American schools to have to cater to this is just a complete total crock of shyt.

The last time I looked, Greek, Italian, Mexican, Chinese, Japanese cuisine are not prepared according to foreign muslim law.
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Old 09-17-2014, 02:19 PM
 
Location: Where I live.
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The beauty of this country is the innovation our people have brought. Most of those innovators were 1st or 2nd generation Americans. Steve Jobs, Elon Musk, Andrew Carnegie, Henry Ford, Alexander Graham Bell, Sergey Brin, etc. All of these innovators were either immigrants or the child of an immigrant.

They bring fresh ideas to the fold, they bring a strong work ethic and they do one thing that's really important: They diversify the gene pool.

Plus, they make food better. Go to a town in middle America with no immigrants...the food is bland, boring and likely their only restaurants are McDonald's, Olive Garden, Red Lobster and Subway. Go to an immigrant-heavy city like San Diego and you have incredible Thai, Lebanese, Iraqi, Japanese, Mexican, etc. restaurants.
You are quite correct. But the people you name had parents that came here as LEGAL immigrants, and they assimilated into the larger culture. They all became AMERICANS.

That's the huge difference between immigrants of earlier years and now. Many of those now come here and expect us to accomodate them and their religion and culture. Why is that? The opposite should be happening, but it's not in many cases.

Food? I'm more likely to have some type of "ethnic" food than I am bland fare. But there are very few of us who have a problem with legal hard-working immigrants of whatever stripe who have become American citizens--or are working toward same while in this country legally.
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Old 09-17-2014, 02:37 PM
 
Location: Where I live.
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Don't you just love how they stereotype all conservatives? As for our national language even though it isn't "official" even congress declared English as being our national language a few years ago. Blacks would be a non-white culture. I don't have a problem with them and they speak English as their primary language of usage. They have assimilated into American culture. Some others not so much. As you said, we are no longer a melting pot but a salad bowl where other cultures are encouraged to hang on to their native ones out in mainstream and expect to be accommodated in their native tongues. A lot of that is directly due to illegal immigration.
Yep. Anyone that wants less immigration (and no illegal immigration at all) is considered racist and fearful of anything non-white.

But that's how it is.
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Old 09-17-2014, 03:03 PM
 
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Yep. Anyone that wants less immigration (and no illegal immigration at all) is considered racist and fearful of anything non-white.

But that's how it is.
Not only that but you must be a conservative to be an advocate of the above according to the pro-illegals. I never could understand how wanting our immigration laws enforced makes one a racist. I know many on the left who oppose illegal immigration and would like our legal immigration numbers reduced until our job situation and economy improves.
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Old 09-17-2014, 04:28 PM
 
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De facto is irrelevant. There is no official language.



Um, no. It is still a melting pot... probably moreso now than ever. The issue is that some Americans don't accept non-white cultures that are immigrating to America at large.



...than why do conservatives always complain about things like halal food in schools or people speaking in other languages?
NON "white" culture? That cuts out Hispanics right there; that's def a "white" culture because it started in Spain back in the day. Muslim culture's "white" too because Arabs are of the white race. Tho the Islamists can leave the US ASAP.
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Old 09-17-2014, 04:30 PM
 
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Nope. Only declarations are on the books. Congress' job is to legislate, not make suggestions.





Blacks never had to assimilate into American culture. Blacks are American culture. Blacks have been here longer than European immigrants.



Why wouldn't they be encouraged to? European immigrants are encouraged to... hmmmmm

This has nothing to do with illegal immigration. As the previous poster pointed out; there is an issue with Muslims wanting Halal food. Why would there be a problem with a legal citizen wanting their ethnic culture represented?
Please get your facts straight. Black people were brought here AFTER the white Europeans like Spanish people and so on came to what is the US and LarAm.
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Old 09-17-2014, 04:32 PM
 
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The beauty of this country is the innovation our people have brought. Most of those innovators were 1st or 2nd generation Americans. Steve Jobs, Elon Musk, Andrew Carnegie, Henry Ford, Alexander Graham Bell, Sergey Brin, etc. All of these innovators were either immigrants or the child of an immigrant.

They bring fresh ideas to the fold, they bring a strong work ethic and they do one thing that's really important: They diversify the gene pool.

Plus, they make food better. Go to a town in middle America with no immigrants...the food is bland, boring and likely their only restaurants are McDonald's, Olive Garden, Red Lobster and Subway. Go to an immigrant-heavy city like San Diego and you have incredible Thai, Lebanese, Iraqi, Japanese, Mexican, etc. restaurants.
Legal aliens DO help the US; ILLEGAL aliens are lawbreakers and all need to leave.
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Old 09-17-2014, 04:52 PM
 
Location: Northeast
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We need LEGAL immigration where people use the LEGAL process and are given the means to stay! Many people from all over the world come here for our great College's and Universities. Yet many after graduation leave. And why stay when the Government makes it hard for them to become American citizens and they realize they can make a killing $$ somewhere else. We must make it easier for young smart grads to become citizens and get job's that pay a wage that they deserve.

How can they compete with ILLEGAL's who will work at a lower wage and all the while contribute nothing to society. Paying no taxes, getting free health care etc. Undocumented illegals who will soon be American citizens. And make no mistake, many are are not just farm workers or construction workers. They have and will continue to be a burden financially on our society...while many who enter legally and want to stay are not given the means. Nor will they in the future.

In ending it's easier to come here illegally and work than it is legally.

This needs to change...but the way our current Admin is handling the situation is disgusting. And we will see shortly when
Obama uses his exec power of the pen to make em all legal after the elections while doing NOTHING to solve the real problem.

Bring us your tired and hungry...yet do it LEGALLY!! And make it easier for the Legal folks to stay.
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