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Old 09-25-2014, 06:48 PM
 
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I'm tired of the Americans on this forum that are whining about (legal) immigrants taking their jobs. Folks who are too lazy to work or to get educated and better themselves are threatened by immigrants who work hard and sacrifice to send thir kids to college. It's true that many immigrants who come here can't speak English, are poor and uneducated, and so they often receive food stamps and Medicaid. But within one generation their kids are fluent in English, college educated, starting businesses and paying taxes. Those businesses and taxes, by the way, will help support native-born Americans who failed to save for retirement and are counting on Social Security.
Legal aliens ain't the problem tho its def time to slow down immigration to the US, especially from LatAm. Illegal aliens just need to go home.
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Old 09-26-2014, 01:55 AM
 
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Its amazing how many people cant see the bigger picture when it comes to all forms of immigration. Legal immigration IS the biggest problem, even more so than illegal. Most of the legal immigration is coming from the third world and increasingly turning the country into a crappy slum. Lagal and illegal immigration gives the same end result - Non-white Hispanic and Asian population increases while the old-stock WASP population decreases.

All immigration should be stopped or you can say goodbye to civilization as we know it. Third world Mexicans, Africans and Guatemalans cannot sustain a first world western society. Its just common sense.
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Old 10-01-2014, 04:19 AM
 
Location: Oregon
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so, you want more immigration because it favors the immigrant. We already know that! as for Americans being able to move around our own country freely, well,that's a big territory, and we do pretty well as it is, if we want to relocate for work. So essentially, you took a big piece of the page to tell us what we already know- that immigration benefits the immigrant. We as Americans, are concerned that the balance has been tipped already, we are top heavy with immigrants especially when you factor int he huge number of them along with the huge numbers of illegals.

As for your other remarks about racism and other unproven and baseless assumptions you seem to generate- well,nice try. you really have no clue as to the racial or ethnic admixture of my family or a lot of others on this thread. Poor manipulation tactic. doesn't work, too transparent. Try something smarter and even more deceptive.
Telling us whose families have been here for hundreds of years, that we have no right to limit the huge influx of additional people- well, really? sorry, but you simply do not have the right to expect that of us. In all fairness, and justice, to the people already here. But it is clear that you don't actually have the best interests of the people who are already citizens, in mind.

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Why do we need immigration?

Because when people have the ability to move around and live where they want it benefits everyone.

Without that ability, you get a stagnant population that doesn't seek to better itself. It is hard to pack up your life and move somewhere else to seek employment to be able to provide for yourself, and people who do that are often much more motivated to "do a good job" than those who don't. It's easy to remain where you are and continue to take "unemployment" handouts because "you can't find a job", although you probably could find a job in another state or country.

We already have free movement between states, which shows that it would work at an even bigger level. What is the difference between an unemployed man who lives in North Carolina who can't find a job there, so he moves to California for work compared to an unemployed man who lives in Guatemala that can't find a job there, so he moves to California for work? There is none. So why is one okay but not the other? Because you are racist?

And if you break that down, what if people weren't allowed to go from North Carolina to California, or between states? How much worse would we be? How bad would a state like Michigan be with a ton of out-of-work auto workers and none of those jobs? How would they be able to open all these new technology jobs? You think former auto-employees can just learn how to write Java code? No way. So you could close the borders and just pay the auto workers unemployment and have all the new tech companies fail because there are not enough employees to work for them...

Or you could let the auto workers LEAVE and go down to Indiana and Tennessee (or even Japan or Germany), where there is still a demand for that kind of work, and then have some people from California and even India come in who have the skills needed for those tech companies. That's a lot of movement, but it keeps the economy running because everyone is able to go out and find work. Instead, maybe those excess programmers in California can't find work, they have to collect welfare. The auto workers don't have enough jobs in Michigan, they have to collect welfare. Forcing people to STAY in a place they don't belong (where they can't find work to support themselves) doesn't benefit them NOR anyone else who is there with them. Let people move around and find a place to work, everyone will be better off.

The larger the area of free movement, the better off everyone is. If Mexicans and Canadians were included in this, it would be even better than just the 50 states. If all of Latin America and the Caribbean were included, it would be even better, and if the whole world were included, it would be at maximum efficiency.
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Old 10-01-2014, 07:09 AM
 
Location: The Woods
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This country has too many people as it is. Why do some people want to live in wall to wall people, with water shortages, etc., making life hellish? Look at California for where overpopulation gets you...
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Old 10-07-2014, 10:24 AM
 
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It is a Marxist ideology to destroy the western oppressor. While this administration makes it look like they actually care about people, they don't give a crap about any American citizens. This is full speed ahead, just look at what happened to western Europe also in the last 14 years.

Since America voted stupid in 2008 and 2012(incredible) we now have to accept that it is likely that more and more Americans will be out of work and the America that everyone once loved, will be a big pos. moving forward.
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Old 10-10-2014, 07:55 PM
 
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stop all illegal immigration and deport all those here illegally, case closed...
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Old 10-14-2014, 09:11 AM
 
Location: South Jersey
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We don't need immigration. That's a big lie. The capitalist beast needs to be fed with endless, unsustainable growth, and low-wage workers (i.e., immigrants from poor countries). And we are lied to that we need immigrants to grow this country's population. We don't. Any growth we need should come from new births.

We elected a president who's deeply anti-American in his sympathies. He sees European-Americans as the oppressors and would love to turn that upside down. Wake up, people! This is not about tolerance, or openness. You have been lied to by the open borders globalists who care only about their money, and by the advocates of multiculturalism. By the way, diversity is never promoted for homogeneously non-European populations, is it? We never hear about how Africa is too African, or how Japan is too Japanese. Do you think European-Americans will be provided with affirmative action, social benefits, etc., once we're the minority? Not a chance. In fact, white South Africans still face legal discrimination despite being minorities in a now supposedly egalitarian society. We are told to be color blind and disregard racial differences while racial discrimination is openly practiced against us in the US, Europe, and elsewhere.
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Old 10-14-2014, 09:35 AM
 
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We don't need immigration. That's a big lie. The capitalist beast needs to be fed with endless, unsustainable growth, and low-wage workers (i.e., immigrants from poor countries). And we are lied to that we need immigrants to grow this country's population. We don't. Any growth we need should come from new births.

We elected a president who's deeply anti-American in his sympathies. He sees European-Americans as the oppressors and would love to turn that upside down. Wake up, people! This is not about tolerance, or openness. You have been lied to by the open borders globalists who care only about their money, and by the advocates of multiculturalism. By the way, diversity is never promoted for homogeneously non-European populations, is it? We never hear about how Africa is too African, or how Japan is too Japanese. Do you think European-Americans will be provided with affirmative action, social benefits, etc., once we're the minority? Not a chance. In fact, white South Africans still face legal discrimination despite being minorities in a now supposedly egalitarian society. We are told to be color blind and disregard racial differences while racial discrimination is openly practiced against us in the US, Europe, and elsewhere.
Agreed but, I'm NOT a "European" American. I'm an American OF Irish family. lol
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Old 10-14-2014, 10:09 AM
 
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We don't need immigration. That's a big lie. The capitalist beast needs to be fed with endless, unsustainable growth, and low-wage workers (i.e., immigrants from poor countries). And we are lied to that we need immigrants to grow this country's population. We don't. Any growth we need should come from new births.

We elected a president who's deeply anti-American in his sympathies. He sees European-Americans as the oppressors and would love to turn that upside down. Wake up, people! This is not about tolerance, or openness. You have been lied to by the open borders globalists who care only about their money, and by the advocates of multiculturalism. By the way, diversity is never promoted for homogeneously non-European populations, is it? We never hear about how Africa is too African, or how Japan is too Japanese. Do you think European-Americans will be provided with affirmative action, social benefits, etc., once we're the minority? Not a chance. In fact, white South Africans still face legal discrimination despite being minorities in a now supposedly egalitarian society. We are told to be color blind and disregard racial differences while racial discrimination is openly practiced against us in the US, Europe, and elsewhere.
Blah blah blah blah yea Obama is the anti-Christ destroying your misguided view of America. Obama didn't craft our immigration policy.

You're correct on diversity to an extent. I would be cautious about using Japan as an example of a model nation. 20+ years recession because that 1.2 birth rate is looking pretty deadly..... The capitalists in America won't let their stock prices cut in half because some heartland racists are scared of the brown boogeymen.

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It is a Marxist ideology to destroy the western oppressor. While this administration makes it look like they actually care about people, they don't give a crap about any American citizens. This is full speed ahead, just look at what happened to western Europe also in the last 14 years.

Since America voted stupid in 2008 and 2012(incredible) we now have to accept that it is likely that more and more Americans will be out of work and the America that everyone once loved, will be a big pos. moving forward.
Western Europe has been in economic deflation for about 10 years now.

Hint: look at their demographics. Do you think a <2 birth rate is enough to sustain an economy?

None of the other irrelevant neoconservative garbage matters. If your population shrinks, the economy will shrink. Europe doesn't want to see its economy wither away into the abyss in the next 30 years. Global capitalism can't let that happen. Money trumps bigotry, sir.
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Old 10-14-2014, 10:18 AM
 
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Blah blah blah blah yea Obama is the anti-Christ destroying your misguided view of America. Obama didn't craft our immigration policy.

You're correct on diversity to an extent. I would be cautious about using Japan as an example of a model nation. 20+ years recession because that 1.2 birth rate is looking pretty deadly..... The capitalists in America won't let their stock prices cut in half because some heartland racists are scared of the brown boogeymen.



Western Europe has been in economic deflation for about 10 years now.

Hint: look at their demographics. Do you think a <2 birth rate is enough to sustain an economy?

None of the other irrelevant neoconservative garbage matters. If your population shrinks, the economy will shrink. Europe doesn't want to see its economy wither away into the abyss in the next 30 years. Global capitalism can't let that happen. Money trumps bigotry, sir.
Uh; not too many years ago, the BIG worry was over population so, more and more cultures stepped up and, cut down their birthrates.

Europe, US and Australia DON'T need a bunch of ignorant peasants moving here, especially in this bad economy.
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