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Old 09-14-2014, 01:19 PM
 
Location: San Antonio Texas
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No, it means you need to read a little slower.

I should have used a different adjective because this was obviously unclear to you.

"Intelligent people understand that if families can only afford one child, the population will decline. One child does not replace two parents. "

I was referring to the concepts I'm trying to explain to you, not people's personal choice.
You still have not told us WHY we need a higher replacement rate. Is it to maintain the Social Security system and the other safety nets?
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Old 09-14-2014, 03:45 PM
 
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You still have not told us WHY we need a higher replacement rate. Is it to maintain the Social Security system and the other safety nets?
Essentially yes. If we are under replacement rate, the looming future situation is less young people will be around to subsidize the old people. This is usually about two generations down the line, but that is the concern.

That is more of a passive concern though. The real issue is what Japan is going through; population decline has them in a 20 year recession. No amount of stimulus or bailouts has been able to get them out of the slump. Their inflation is teetering around 0%, even with all the stimulus.
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Old 09-15-2014, 09:43 AM
 
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The original question - why do we need immigration?
Answer - because that's what makes America great. That's what makes America....America.

All of us are descended from immigrants. For 200 years America has thrived as the great melting pot. The infusion of people looking to work hard and make a better life is what keeps our economy strong. The infusion of various cultures also has enriched our whole society. The day we stop bringing in "fresh blood" is the day we start to stagnate and cease to become America.
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Old 09-15-2014, 11:19 AM
 
Location: Where I live.
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The original question - why do we need immigration?
Answer - because that's what makes America great. That's what makes America....America.

All of us are descended from immigrants. For 200 years America has thrived as the great melting pot. The infusion of people looking to work hard and make a better life is what keeps our economy strong. The infusion of various cultures also has enriched our whole society. The day we stop bringing in "fresh blood" is the day we start to stagnate and cease to become America.
That's the problem. America is no longer a "great melting pot."

Too many who come are not interested at all in assimilating and becoming bona fide Americans, adapting to the larger culture.

There is nothing wrong with keeping one's culture--at home and in private groups.

But when they come here and expect US (as US citizens) to pander to them and their culture--and have no intention of fitting in--therein lies the problem. Multilingual voting ballots, DL pictures, et al....why are WE supposed to accomodate THEM when they came HERE to OUR country--and have no intention of ever assimilating?

The more multicultural that we become--with less and less common ground--the worse this country is going to be.
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Old 09-15-2014, 12:30 PM
 
Location: Amongst the AZ Cactus
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That's the problem. America is no longer a "great melting pot."

Too many who come are not interested at all in assimilating and becoming bona fide Americans, adapting to the larger culture.
Great point. I think it's the larger issue that I see in this country and that's the "me" type selfish attitude by more than a few, not what's good for the country as a whole that I think we had more of in the previous generation back around wwii. And a selfish populace elects selfish "leaders" and that's where I think it begins and ends.

It also seems to be a worldwide trend. Europe seems to be going through the same thing for some time now.

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Old 09-15-2014, 01:15 PM
 
Location: Pa
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The original question - why do we need immigration?
Answer - because that's what makes America great. That's what makes America....America.

All of us are descended from immigrants. For 200 years America has thrived as the great melting pot. The infusion of people looking to work hard and make a better life is what keeps our economy strong. The infusion of various cultures also has enriched our whole society. The day we stop bringing in "fresh blood" is the day we start to stagnate and cease to become America.
Controlled legal immigration that targets the needs of the nation is a healthy and good thing for us. What no nation needs is uncontrolled illegal immigration. What no nation needs is millions of illegals many of whom are not only under-educated but also either don't speak the common language or can barely speak it. We don't need to increase our burden. Fresh blood as you call it is not all equal and not all of it is good for the nation.
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Old 09-15-2014, 04:28 PM
 
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The original question - why do we need immigration?
Answer - because that's what makes America great. That's what makes America....America.

All of us are descended from immigrants. For 200 years America has thrived as the great melting pot. The infusion of people looking to work hard and make a better life is what keeps our economy strong. The infusion of various cultures also has enriched our whole society. The day we stop bringing in "fresh blood" is the day we start to stagnate and cease to become America.
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Controlled legal immigration that targets the needs of the nation is a healthy and good thing for us. What no nation needs is uncontrolled illegal immigration. What no nation needs is millions of illegals many of whom are not only under-educated but also either don't speak the common language or can barely speak it. We don't need to increase our burden. Fresh blood as you call it is not all equal and not all of it is good for the nation.
Agreed with tinman.
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Old 09-15-2014, 04:42 PM
 
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The original question - why do we need immigration?
Answer - because that's what makes America great. That's what makes America....America.

All of us are descended from immigrants. For 200 years America has thrived as the great melting pot. The infusion of people looking to work hard and make a better life is what keeps our economy strong. The infusion of various cultures also has enriched our whole society. The day we stop bringing in "fresh blood" is the day we start to stagnate and cease to become America.
Actually, that question belongs in the legal immigration forum. We don't need illegal immigration and there is a difference between the two and this forum is about illegal immigration. But since the OP didn't distinguish between the two we don't necessarily need legal immigration all the time either. It should be based on our ability to provide jobs and resources to them along with keeping population growth in mind. Having immigration just for diversity sake is ridiculous especially when we are already about as diverse as we can be. It doesn't matter how hard an immigrant is willing to work if we don't have jobs for them or it takes jobs from Americans.
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Old 09-15-2014, 04:44 PM
 
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That's the problem. America is no longer a "great melting pot."

Too many who come are not interested at all in assimilating and becoming bona fide Americans, adapting to the larger culture.

There is nothing wrong with keeping one's culture--at home and in private groups.

But when they come here and expect US (as US citizens) to pander to them and their culture--and have no intention of fitting in--therein lies the problem. Multilingual voting ballots, DL pictures, et al....why are WE supposed to accomodate THEM when they came HERE to OUR country--and have no intention of ever assimilating?

The more multicultural that we become--with less and less common ground--the worse this country is going to be.
Excellent post!
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Old 09-15-2014, 10:01 PM
 
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That's the problem. America is no longer a "great melting pot."

Too many who come are not interested at all in assimilating and becoming bona fide Americans, adapting to the larger culture.

There is nothing wrong with keeping one's culture--at home and in private groups.

But when they come here and expect US (as US citizens) to pander to them and their culture--and have no intention of fitting in--therein lies the problem. Multilingual voting ballots, DL pictures, et al....why are WE supposed to accomodate THEM when they came HERE to OUR country--and have no intention of ever assimilating?

The more multicultural that we become--with less and less common ground--the worse this country is going to be.
No one is pandering to anyone else's culture. America's culture is a melting pot. There is no official language or religion. Call a spade a spade. Why do you really not want immigrants in America?

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Actually, that question belongs in the legal immigration forum. We don't need illegal immigration and there is a difference between the two and this forum is about illegal immigration. But since the OP didn't distinguish between the two we don't necessarily need legal immigration all the time either. It should be based on our ability to provide jobs and resources to them along with keeping population growth in mind. Having immigration just for diversity sake is ridiculous especially when we are already about as diverse as we can be. It doesn't matter how hard an immigrant is willing to work if we don't have jobs for them or it takes jobs from Americans.
It isn't for diversity's sake. It is because our birth rates are below replacement.

Our jobs problem isn't due to immigration; it is to poor economic policy of the last 30 years.
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