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Old 12-28-2007, 08:24 PM
 
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It matters not one iota what their 'reason' is for living 14 to a one bedroom apartment or such. In the US we have housing codes which dictate how many people are permitted to occupy a given home or apartment. There are health and safety reasons for these measures.
This is the law. Is there any reason why the law should not apply to your friend and her family? My neighbors next door could theoretically move 9 other families into their home and pay off their mortgage in no time. They would not do this. Why? Because in the United States of America we do not live like this. Our housing codes do not permit it.
How do you suppose the neighbors next to the apartment felt having the noise and traffic of so many people in a one bedroom apartment? Or does that not matter? Did they care that they were clearly in violation of the apartment lease? Evidently, they feel they are entitled to select which rules they will obey and which they will not.
Well this was back in the 70's. During the day, the child (my old schoolmate) was in school and her parents were both working. They were both electrical engineers here on working visas - so they were her legally, but perhaps not complying with the lease. During the day, the only people that were home were the 2 grandparents. Then at night. you had 5 people in the apartment. I don't recall the neighbors complaining since this went on for 2 years. This particular family was educated and fled communism to come here and embrace the American dream - which they wound up doing with gusto. Obviously, all examples of this are different and yes, safety and coding are real concerns and laws. I just wanted to share an experience of one family that I know and why they lived like that.

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Old 12-28-2007, 08:54 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Well this was back in the 70's. During the day, the child (my old schoolmate) was in school and her parents were both working. They were both electrical engineers here on working visas - so they were her legally, but perhaps not complying with the lease. During the day, the only people that were home were the 2 grandparents. Then at night. you had 5 people in the apartment. I don't recall the neighbors complaining since this went on for 2 years. This particular family was educated and fled communism to come here and embrace the American dream - which they wound up doing with gusto. Obviously, all examples of this are different and yes, safety and coding are real concerns and laws. I just wanted to share an experience of one family that I know and why they lived like that.
Remember too in the 1970's we had no where near the illegal problem as today so it was much, much easier to 'fly under the radar'.

Too your friends fled for (probable) political, not economic reasons from a Communist country so very few people would have even cared let alone ratted them out.

Next: both of the parents were here legally-----again no red flags raised.

Final point: 5 people even in a small apt draw much less attention than 10+
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Old 12-28-2007, 10:03 PM
 
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Unfortunately, your situation is perfect example of how immigration has/is deteriorating CA neighborhoods. The other part of the problem is that zoning laws suddenly become non-existent for local agencies when non-English speakers are involved.

My advice to you is be prepared to be ignored by local agencies, but be persistent. As someone else mentioned, contact media outlets that might be sympathetic to your cause. Publicize it as much as possible. It also sounds like you're dealing with uncivilized people who might be inclined to violence. Since they're not people you can reason with, I wouldn't waste my time engaging with them. But, I would call the police at the slightest disturbance and each time they have a noisy "get-together" on the front lawn.

As a Ca native, I totally empathize with your plight. It's also why I'll be leaving this nightmare in 4 months. I can't wait!
Congratulations on the 4 months!
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