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Old 12-28-2007, 11:03 AM
 
Location: Southern Arizona
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How does one fly out of the country without a passport?
Good question, Synopsis.

Document verification when departing is primarily for entry to the destination country. If documentation is not adequate, the airline is responsible for the passenger and required to return him to point of origin.
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Old 12-28-2007, 11:56 AM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA
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Who said the owner of the business was "pink necked"?

As a matter of fact, some of the most pervasive "illegal labor users" are legal immigrants and citizens of the same nationality that the illegal laborers are from.


My ex's father used to has a tomato distribution company. He used to get his tomatos from a legal Mexican who "recruited" and "hired" field workers.... probably 99% undocumented migrants. Same thing with Latino-owned landscape companies here in Florida.... “Garcia Landscaping” pickup trucks driving around with five illegal guys in the back, etc.

Similarly in New England, with a large Portuguese population, Brazilians are probably hired and attracted to the area by legal Portuguese and Brazilian employers and contractors.
No sale. If the predominance of illegal employers were Mexicans and other Latinos, the crackdowns on them would have been swift and relentless. And if the identities of these employers were as easily discernable as you just recited, the work would never been available, and this whole issue would be moot.

Nice try.
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Old 12-28-2007, 01:58 PM
 
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No sale. If the predominance of illegal employers were Mexicans and other Latinos, the crackdowns on them would have been swift and relentless. And if the identities of these employers were as easily discernable as you just recited, the work would never been available, and this whole issue would be moot.

Nice try.

Nice try yourself. The point was that "some of the most" prolific "illegal users" ARE people "of" the same nationality or background as the illegals they employ.

Chinese restaurants, Mexican restaurants, Latino construction contractors and landscapers... ALL are primely situated to take advantage of illegal labor. I've known more than a few examples in my short time on this earth.


And spare the group your assumptions that "crackdowns" would be swift if the "poor wittle bwown people" were the ones conclusively engaging in the use of illegal labor. Obviously, since it IS happening NOW without repercussions, your tiresome attempts to bring it all back to race is without basis in reality.
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Old 12-28-2007, 04:19 PM
 
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Nice try yourself. The point was that "some of the most" prolific "illegal users" ARE people "of" the same nationality or background as the illegals they employ.
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I know several examples of this personally, in which long-ago immigrants from Mexico, (two of whom I KNOW spent years as "illegals" themselves), now THEMSELVES employ many illegals, and come close to holding them in a sort of "bondage". I've seen this, and heard about it also from some of the "victims". It's a sort of an attempt to exert a kind of "God-father" influence over the "newbies". I've even seen cases where the 'host' will keep people's paychecks for 'safekeeping'...and drop broad hints about calling "la migra' in cases 'ingratitude'....

It has been a feature of MOST imigrant groups to the US. The "new people", confused and unsure of their rights, fall victim to a smooth-talking "paisano", who MAY or MAY not have their best interests in mind. But they trust the "evil they KNOW", more than the unknown "evil" of their strange new country....Some of the biggest victimizers of the new immigrants have ALWAYS been "nice boys from back home". They just sound so 'convincing'...
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Old 12-28-2007, 05:28 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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I know several examples of this personally, in which long-ago immigrants from Mexico, (two of whom I KNOW spent years as "illegals" themselves), now THEMSELVES employ many illegals, and come close to holding them in a sort of "bondage". I've seen this, and heard about it also from some of the "victims". It's a sort of an attempt to exert a kind of "God-father" influence over the "newbies". I've even seen cases where the 'host' will keep people's paychecks for 'safekeeping'...and drop broad hints about calling "la migra' in cases 'ingratitude'....

It has been a feature of MOST imigrant groups to the US. The "new people", confused and unsure of their rights, fall victim to a smooth-talking "paisano", who MAY or MAY not have their best interests in mind. But they trust the "evil they KNOW", more than the unknown "evil" of their strange new country....Some of the biggest victimizers of the new immigrants have ALWAYS been "nice boys from back home". They just sound so 'convincing'...
In one phrase: peon and patron.

macmeal is so correct-------again.
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Old 12-28-2007, 05:46 PM
 
Location: Southern Arizona
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Nice try yourself. The point was that "some of the most" prolific "illegal users" ARE people "of" the same nationality or background as the illegals they employ.
Damn shame, TriMT, you are absolutely correct on this point.

In this area the Mexican Business Owners are the first and most frequent to take advantage of the illegals.

Also, as to taking advantage, I have never heard of a Gringo coyote . . . they are always Mexicans.
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