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Old 12-30-2007, 08:49 PM
 
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Add in changing the Anchor Baby law to eliminate that right for those born, say, after January 1st, 2009.

Needless to say: grandfather in those children born 12-31-2008 or prior as US citizens.

Otherwise; as you stated, I agree 100%
The congress is not going to touch the 14th ammendment period. The supreme court will always rule in favor of the children born here to be citizens period. People said the same thing about african americans back then that was why the 14th ammendment was put in place to protect them and ANYONE else born on the soil of the united states. They probably knew there would be people like you guys out there trying to deprive these innocent children of their citizenship.
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Old 12-30-2007, 08:53 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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The congress is not going to touch the 14th ammendment period. The supreme court will always rule in favor of the children born here to be citizens period. People said the same thing about african americans back then that was why the 14th ammendment was put in place to protect them and ANYONE else born on the soil of the united states. They probably knew there would be people like you guys out there trying to deprive these innocent children of their citizenship.
The Anchor Baby law is going away.

The difference between Blacks and illegal immigrants is that the former were born here due to their ancestors being forcibly being imported from Africa. Illegals; OTOH, came here as free people------they have no rights beyond those of any other criminal.
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Old 12-30-2007, 10:12 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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The Anchor Baby law is going away.
Agreed.

Within the next year or so - it will be gone.

A good thing -
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Old 12-31-2007, 08:58 AM
 
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People said the same thing about african americans back then that was why the 14th ammendment was put in place to protect them and ANYONE else born on the soil of the united states. They probably knew there would be people like you guys out there trying to deprive these innocent children of their citizenship.

First of all, I'd like to see your sources for what you consider the original intent of the 14th Amendment. I can almost guarantee the drafters of said provision ONLY had "slaves" in mind, and not women running across the border to drop babies and collect WIC, as much as you would like to think otherwise.


What I STILL think is telling, however, is that you have contempt for people who want to stop abuse of the social welfare system, but have no problem watching the MOTHERS and FATHERS of these children literally USE their children as a means for social services, or as "anchors" for immigration into the USA.

You're showing your true colors, and it aint pretty.
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Old 12-31-2007, 10:09 AM
 
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Agreed.

Within the next year or so - it will be gone.

A good thing -
HAHA, and who is going to do away with it? I swear some of you live in a fantasy land.
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Old 12-31-2007, 10:14 AM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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HAHA, and who is going to do away with it? I swear some of you live in a fantasy land.
Take a look around; the anti illegal immigrant laws are popping up all over the place, the tsunami is just beginning to run the illegal immigrants out of the USA.
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Old 12-31-2007, 02:48 PM
 
Location: Small patch of terra firma
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First of all, I'd like to see your sources for what you consider the original intent of the 14th Amendment. I can almost guarantee the drafters of said provision ONLY had "slaves" in mind, and not women running across the border to drop babies and collect WIC, as much as you would like to think otherwise.
“All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside”

Whatever intention was originally there that “caused” the 14th amendment; the drafters framed the language that comports with the common-law rule of acquired citizenship by birth, unless the child was the dependent of diplomats, ambassadors, or “alien enemies in hostile occupation” which is why you have the “subject to the jurisdiction thereof” language. If the drafter’s intention was for only children of slaves or slaves themselves to be citizens, then you would have seen language specifically stating their intentions.
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Old 12-31-2007, 02:58 PM
 
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“All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside”

Whatever intention was originally there that “caused” the 14th amendment; the drafters framed the language that comports with the common-law rule of acquired citizenship by birth, unless the child was the dependent of diplomats, ambassadors, or “alien enemies in hostile occupation” which is why you have the “subject to the jurisdiction thereof” language. If the drafter’s intention was for only children of slaves or slaves themselves to be citizens, then you would have seen language specifically stating their intentions.

Are you kidding me? Since when does the Constitution "specifically state" anything?

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In 1866, Senator Jacob Howard clearly spelled out the intent of the 14th Amendment by stating:

"Every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons. It settles the great question of citizenship and removes all doubt as to what persons are or are not citizens of the United States. This has long been a great desideratum in the jurisprudence and legislation of this country."

This understanding was reaffirmed by Senator Edward Cowan, who stated:

"[A foreigner in the United States] has a right to the protection of the laws; but he is not a citizen in the ordinary acceptance of the word..."

The phrase "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" was intended to exclude American-born persons from automatic citizenship whose allegiance to the United States was not complete. With illegal aliens who are unlawfully in the United States, their native country has a claim of allegiance on the child. Thus, the completeness of their allegiance to the United States is impaired, which therefore precludes automatic citizenship.
Its' why American Indians born "within the United States" weren't given automatic US citizenship until 1924:

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Congress subsequently passed a special act to grant full citizenship to American Indians, who were not citizens even through they were born within the borders of the United States. The Citizens Act of 1924, codified in 8USCSß1401, provides that:

The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:
(a) a person born in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof;
(b) a person born in the United States to a member of an Indian, Eskimo, Aleutian, or other aboriginal tribe.
http://www.14thamendment.us/birthrig...al_intent.html
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Old 12-31-2007, 02:58 PM
 
Location: CA
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Even if this passes I have to tell you, it isn't going to do anything.

You want to know why? Federal law Trumps State law. Simple as that.

The Fourteenth Amendment, read it, love it, learn it

BTW I completely feel that these legislative measure by Rep. Pearce are completely Un-American.
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Old 12-31-2007, 03:06 PM
 
Location: South Bay Native
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Even if this passes I have to tell you, it isn't going to do anything.

You want to know why? Federal law Trumps State law. Simple as that.

The Fourteenth Amendment, read it, love it, learn it

BTW I completely feel that these legislative measure by Rep. Pearce are completely Un-American.
How come every noob poster in the immigration forum sounds just like ProLogic? I wonder...

How do you know it isn't going to do anything? Please share your crystal ball with me and let me know what the next winning lotto numbers are
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