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Old 12-30-2007, 09:37 PM
 
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Meth is evil incarnate, no more comment from me there.

As for Marijuana; that should be legal but the laws concerning alcohol consumption/DUI's need to be tightened further.

Most Police Officers would much rather deal with a stoner vs. a drunk.
It could go legal, but MJ has what 300 chemicals and can hurt both mentally and physically. Pot doesn't cause auto accidents like alcohol does of course.
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Old 12-30-2007, 09:46 PM
 
Location: Surprise, Az
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Drugs and Illegal Immigrants are two very separate issues.

Drugs addicts are a result of drug use and drugs can come and will come from anywhere. As long as there is a big profit to be made there will be drug use...

The most dangerous drug can easily be made at home...Talking about Meth.
Sealing the border does not stop drug use...sorry but true.
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Old 12-30-2007, 10:31 PM
 
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Drugs and Illegal Immigrants are two very separate issues.

Drugs addicts are a result of drug use and drugs can come and will come from anywhere. As long as there is a big profit to be made there will be drug use...

The most dangerous drug can easily be made at home...Talking about Meth.
Sealing the border does not stop drug use...sorry but true.
Almost 100% of methampehtamine, cocaine, heroin and majiuana now come from Mexico by Mexican drug smugglers/cartels who are illegal, and they also take hostage other illegals, take their money and then distract border patrol in order not to be caught. Our government stopped qualudes long ago by stopping the production of a main ingredient, and this is just what our government drug officials want to do with the pseudoephedrine needed to make meth, it comes to Mexico from the superlabs in several places, like China and India. When meth was made at home labs in America it was not pure and did not have the effect so meth use went way down. One can see graph and article on all this on PBS, Frontline: THe Meth Epidemic. Sealing our border will do very much to stop flow of drugs and many other problems illegal immigration has caused Americans.
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Old 12-30-2007, 11:35 PM
 
Location: Surprise, Az
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It will put a temporary dent...if any at all. There is no arguing the grips of addition and lengths people will go through in order to feed that addiction. At the the lengths people will go through in order to profit from people with addictions.

Drug dealers will always find another method. They always have and always will. A Vicious cycle no doubt.

Dealing with Drug problems starts with the individual...It is a social issue that spans over into other issues but in the end it is a social issue.

No amount of prisons, campaigns or so called War on Drugs will ever rid the US of this growing epidemic. Why? Because punishment in by prisons is not a big deterrent...why? Because drugs are readily available in prison. All that was done was change the location of where the user scores and ultimately abuses the drugs...

There is no such thing as a complete sealing off. Even people in N. Korea get across once in a while. And do you really want the USA to resemble N. Korea? Seriously? Do you? Think about that long and hard...

Do you remember East and West Germany and when the wall fell down? If we start sealing the USA off are we really free and who really won the Cold War in the end? How can we claim victory if we become them?
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Old 12-31-2007, 12:14 AM
 
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It will put a temporary dent...if any at all. There is no arguing the grips of addition and lengths people will go through in order to feed that addiction. At the the lengths people will go through in order to profit from people with addictions.

Drug dealers will always find another method. They always have and always will. A Vicious cycle no doubt.

Dealing with Drug problems starts with the individual...It is a social issue that spans over into other issues but in the end it is a social issue.

No amount of prisons, campaigns or so called War on Drugs will ever rid the US of this growing epidemic. Why? Because punishment in by prisons is not a big deterrent...why? Because drugs are readily available in prison. All that was done was change the location of where the user scores and ultimately abuses the drugs...

There is no such thing as a complete sealing off. Even people in N. Korea get across once in a while. And do you really want the USA to resemble N. Korea? Seriously? Do you? Think about that long and hard...

Do you remember East and West Germany and when the wall fell down? If we start sealing the USA off are we really free and who really won the Cold War in the end? How can we claim victory if we become them?
Before these hard drugs became popular via dealers in mid 80's we did not have the many addicts! Drugs in jails and prisons are preventable, they could screen for them like at airports... but jails, courts, law enforement would have fewer jobs if the drugs were stopped from crossing the border. We know that but tough, are now demanding the drug flow be cut off so that kids will finally stop being victims of dealers, so that addicts and families will be saved from drugs. We don't want to turn into communist N. Korea, but a strictly controlled border 'will happen' to limit drugs, terrorists and illegals. Real freedom to many is saving their kids from drugs by sealing borders! Did you know that it will be much more difficult to even travel to U.S. by plane or car by next year from Mexico, the laws have changed? Don't think I was clear, said the U.S. along with other countries are now trying to stop production of psuedoephedrine at the superlabs in world, then C. Meth would 'not' be possible to make, period, so this would be the 'end' of meth! This means meth cannot be made at home either. This is just how U.S. stopped qualude production for good, decades ago. You can be as pessimistic as you want, but when your life is at stake you need to be a bit optimistic. Thank you.

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Old 12-31-2007, 01:40 AM
 
Location: On my way to FLA baby !!
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If huckabee the "illegal alien" lover wins the iowa primary on thursday then amnesty is not a big deal to americans.
You are not serious are you?

Iowa does not speak for the rest of the country. Have you read the huge amount of post on this board alone about that issue, it is huge, it is becoming even bogger by the day. People are becoming outraged by them.

And I predict by election time it will be the No. 1 topic.
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Old 12-31-2007, 10:19 AM
 
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You are not serious are you?

Iowa does not speak for the rest of the country. Have you read the huge amount of post on this board alone about that issue, it is huge, it is becoming even bogger by the day. People are becoming outraged by them.

And I predict by election time it will be the No. 1 topic.
You are kidding me right? Show me a national poll that has immigration placing in the top 3 isssue. It might be hard to face the truth but you are in the minority when it comes to your views on immigration.
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Old 12-31-2007, 12:43 PM
 
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You are kidding me right? Show me a national poll that has immigration placing in the top 3 isssue. It might be hard to face the truth but you are in the minority when it comes to your views on immigration.
CBS News/New York Times Poll. Dec. 5-9, 2007. N=1,133 adults nationwide. MoE 3.

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"What do you think is the most important problem facing this country today?" Open-ended

http://www.pollingreport.com/prioriti.htm


1 War in Iraq 25
2 Economy/Jobs 12
3 Health care 7
4 Immigration 4
5 Environment 3
5 Gas/Heating oil crisis 3
6 Poverty/Homelessness 3
7 Terrorism (general) 3
8 Other 36
9 Unsure 4

Will number 4 help?
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Old 12-31-2007, 04:34 PM
 
Location: Surprise, Az
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Before these hard drugs became popular via dealers in mid 80's we did not have the many addicts!
The drug culture started way before the 80's. LSD and Marijuana have been around a long time (Huge in the 60's). Heroin and cocaine will make a strong comeback when Meth is eliminated. How long has opium use been around? A long time...Very long time. The cocaine era was the 80's...

I'm for border regulation and even a border fence... I'm not for sealing the borders. Isolation is something we do not need. Isolation is something that goes against the very foundation our forefathers built.

And sealing the borders does not eliminate the demand for drugs...because that is a home grown issue that needs to be addressed with more then a border sealing.
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Old 01-05-2008, 12:08 AM
 
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The drug culture started way before the 80's. LSD and Marijuana have been around a long time (Huge in the 60's). Heroin and cocaine will make a strong comeback when Meth is eliminated. How long has opium use been around? A long time...Very long time. The cocaine era was the 80's...

I'm for border regulation and even a border fence... I'm not for sealing the borders. Isolation is something we do not need. Isolation is something that goes against the very foundation our forefathers built.

And sealing the borders does not eliminate the demand for drugs...because that is a home grown issue that needs to be addressed with more then a border sealing.
The hard core drugs became widely popular in the mid 80's and have increased in popularity ever since, meaning cocaine and heroin...before then they was not WIDELY popular. Heroin and cocaine come from Mexico almost all right through that damn Mexican border. Same for meth and this is the most used hard drug here and in the world, and getting worse. Heroin and cocaine are still very popular so the comeback you said makes no sense. Closing borders effectively will stop the drugs, so the demand will not be met.
Remember before the drugs were widely popular there was not the demand.
Many nations have stopped drugs and therefore the demand is simply not met and let go. Drugs are only a home grown issue if they are allowed to be produced here, which they are not now. Dealers will always do the most evil works by addicting children on drugs, but we need to stop it. If your children were dying of addiction and maybe you too, you'd want drugs stopped. I see you know absolutely nothing about drug addiction itself, one of the worst diseases known to man for several reasons.
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