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Old 11-09-2014, 01:08 AM
 
Location: Liberal Coast
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YOu also don't listen?

I believe it may be easier to change the 2nd than Birthright citizenship.

But I also believe both are virtually impossible and for the same reason. Both have substantial minorities that oppose changing them. You cannot change the Constitution with substantial minority opposition.
I listen. I also live in an area that is going down the toilet because of illegal immigration, and I have no sympathy for them.
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Old 11-09-2014, 01:09 AM
 
Location: Liberal Coast
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Or interpretated as it was meant to be, not as a loop hole for people to break our immigration laws.

And as we see from the current administration the Constitution and Congress can be bypassed, manipulated and interpretated in many ways. The next POTUS is not going to be Illegal friendly.
No part of the Constitution should be "interpreted". It says what it says, whether we like it or not.
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Old 11-09-2014, 07:31 AM
 
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No part of the Constitution should be "interpreted". It says what it says, whether we like it or not.
And it doesn't say that children of illegal aliens get birthright citizenship. In fact the clause reads "and" subject to the jurisdiction thereof which is a qualifier. I don't want to get this debate started again as it has been beaten to death in here but the Constitution via the 14th Amendment is being misinterpreted.
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Old 11-09-2014, 08:00 AM
 
Location: Where I live.
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And it doesn't say that children of illegal aliens get birthright citizenship. In fact the clause reads "and" subject to the jurisdiction thereof which is a qualifier. I don't want to get this debate started again as it has been beaten to death in here but the Constitution via the 14th Amendment is being misinterpreted.
I would go so far as to say it's outright abused.

If this country is smart, it will revisit this idea and add another constitutional amendment.
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Old 11-09-2014, 08:28 AM
 
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I would go so far as to say it's outright abused.

If this country is smart, it will revisit this idea and add another constitutional amendment.
I don't think that would even be needed. Just have the SC go over it and make a final determination which they never really did. The majority of countries in the world don't allow birthright citizenship to children of illegal aliens. Since our country is so attractive to illegal aliens we need to follow suit. It is costing us dearly and makes a mockery out of our citizenship with the current status quo.
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Old 11-09-2014, 09:00 AM
 
Location: Where I live.
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I don't think that would even be needed. Just have the SC go over it and make a final determination which they never really did. The majority of countries in the world don't allow birthright citizenship to children of illegal aliens. Since our country is so attractive to illegal aliens we need to follow suit. It is costing us dearly and makes a mockery out of our citizenship with the current status quo.
Well....since it has been going on as long as it has, it makes me wonder.

Anything that makes this country less a magnet for Third World uneducated poor is a plus in my book.

Having said that, the existing laws should be uniformly applied to EVERYBODY.
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Old 11-15-2014, 10:51 PM
 
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The U.S. really needs to bring back a 1924 style immigration act and deport all the illegals and traitors in power.
I agree with deporting all illegal immigrants. I disagree with 1924-style immigration laws. I say just adopted the way Canada does its current immigration.
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Old 11-16-2014, 07:38 AM
 
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I agree with deporting all illegal immigrants. I disagree with 1924-style immigration laws. I say just adopted the way Canada does its current immigration.
Those 1924 style laws were changed to let more "others" into the US by about 1950. Tho I WOULD like to see the present immigration law set back to how things were done in 1964. If that makes me a "racist": I don't care.
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Old 11-16-2014, 08:16 AM
 
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The problem is that we do not have the ability to enforce our immigration laws. And we lack both the will and the resources to change that.

Once in this deep it is not practical to enforce your way out.

So basically you decrease the illegal by legalizing them or live with the status quo...which can easily turn worse again.
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Old 11-16-2014, 09:18 AM
 
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Those 1924 style laws were changed to let more "others" into the US by about 1950. Tho I WOULD like to see the present immigration law set back to how things were done in 1964. If that makes me a "racist": I don't care.
I only know what was done in 1924 and 1965. I don't know how it was in 1964, as I can't find any laws for that year regarding immigration.

My point is that current Canadian immigration doesn't go by national origin, but by skills.
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