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Old 11-06-2014, 11:44 AM
 
Location: Annandale, VA
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What difference would an official language make? We build residential homes here with Spanish speaking workers. If you don't speak Spanish you don't get to do construction work. If English was the official language we would still build homes with Spanish speaking workers.

The vast majority of the children of the illegals are citizens. And if you did not allow the illegal children in the schools you would perpetrate a lower class...that has lots of negative implications .

By making English the official language, the United States would not be required to provide any assistance to non-English speaking people at taxpayer expense.

The immigrant would be required to provide their OWN interpreter at their own expense. Schools would not have to offer English as a second language to immigrant children. The parents would have to hire their own tutors. The US taxpayers would be saved BILLIONS by not providing documents and instructions in other than English.

America is a "melting pot", not a "salad bowl". Learn our language and culture, or stay home.
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Old 11-06-2014, 11:52 AM
 
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By making English the official language, the United States would not be required to provide any assistance to non-English speaking people at taxpayer expense.

The immigrant would be required to provide their OWN interpreter at their own expense. Schools would not have to offer English as a second language to immigrant children. The parents would have to hire their own tutors. The US taxpayers would be saved BILLIONS by not providing documents and instructions in other than English.

America is a "melting pot", not a "salad bowl". Learn our language and culture, or stay home.
You would end up with an uneducated under class that would require extensive support. They would speak English likely badly so you end up having to support them. It would be a disaster.

Any protocol that creates a permanent underclass is disaster. It has occurred a bit in the Black community and does not appear to have a solution. You want that expanded?
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Old 11-06-2014, 01:25 PM
 
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Most Hispanic- Americans are bi-lingual. If Hispanics are building homes while only knowing Spanish they are probably here illegally. Why should we accommodate them? Why is it that one has to know Spanish in order to do construction work? This is an English speaking country and before the influx of millions of illegals working that industry and others Americans didn't have to know Spanish to get a job in their own country.

Even their kids born on our soil would know English as they would be attending our schools. IMO, we shouldn't be offering any services to illegal aliens and their kids here illegally other than emergency healthcare.
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Old 11-06-2014, 02:16 PM
 
Location: Where I live.
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You would end up with an uneducated under class that would require extensive support. They would speak English likely badly so you end up having to support them. It would be a disaster.

Any protocol that creates a permanent underclass is disaster. It has occurred a bit in the Black community and does not appear to have a solution. You want that expanded?
It's a disaster as it is. The untold amount of money these illegal alien YKWs cost us (free public education, in-state tuition rates at universities, unpaid ER/hospital/medical bills, filling our prisons, traffic wrecks with uninsured/licensed drivers, et al. The list is endless. They are already a poorly educated underclass. That's the type of illegals that we mostly get these days.

The fact that they are taking in all of these unaccompanied minors--and reuniting them with their parents is just unreal. Get them back to their parents--and then deport the whole family back to their home countries--or at least a bus ride to the far southern border of Mexico.

We are not responsible for those in Third-World countries. Get them out of here, and get back to the business of enforcing our existing laws.

Do away with birthright citizenship if both of the parents are illegals. The only benefits they should be entitled to are a few bottles of water and immediate deportation.

And yes...Reagan was an idiot to grant amnesty, especially since the second part (enforcement of existing laws) didn't follow. And that's coming from someone who still misses the man, and voted for him both times.

Both Repubs and dems are illegal alien butt-kissers. If the sweep the other night was any indication--it's time they all woke up!!
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Old 11-06-2014, 03:40 PM
 
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It's a disaster as it is. The untold amount of money these illegal alien YKWs cost us (free public education, in-state tuition rates at universities, unpaid ER/hospital/medical bills, filling our prisons, traffic wrecks with uninsured/licensed drivers, et al. The list is endless. They are already a poorly educated underclass. That's the type of illegals that we mostly get these days.

The fact that they are taking in all of these unaccompanied minors--and reuniting them with their parents is just unreal. Get them back to their parents--and then deport the whole family back to their home countries--or at least a bus ride to the far southern border of Mexico.

We are not responsible for those in Third-World countries. Get them out of here, and get back to the business of enforcing our existing laws.

Do away with birthright citizenship if both of the parents are illegals. The only benefits they should be entitled to are a few bottles of water and immediate deportation.

And yes...Reagan was an idiot to grant amnesty, especially since the second part (enforcement of existing laws) didn't follow. And that's coming from someone who still misses the man, and voted for him both times.

Both Repubs and dems are illegal alien butt-kissers. If the sweep the other night was any indication--it's time they all woke up!!
You are preaching fairy tales...and making that which you dislike worse in the process.

We lack both the will and the ability to deport the illegals.

The minors took advantage of the law. So change the law...though doubtful the will exists to do that.

Birth Right Citizens is a Constitutional issue. You require virtually complete agreement to pull one off. We have no where near full agreement.

So it being clear the things you would like are not in the cards how about trying to fix the problem before it gets worse?
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Old 11-06-2014, 03:52 PM
 
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You are preaching fairy tales...and making that which you dislike worse in the process.

We lack both the will and the ability to deport the illegals.

The minors took advantage of the law. So change the law...though doubtful the will exists to do that.

Birth Right Citizens is a Constitutional issue. You require virtually complete agreement to pull one off. We have no where near full agreement.

So it being clear the things you would like are not in the cards how about trying to fix the problem before it gets worse?
Yes, we do. The question is....why? Just political? Just business wanting cheap labor? If we had the will--and really wanted to do it--we could.

The concept of birthright citizenship was never intended for the children of illegal aliens, who have no right to be here in the first place. It has been so thoroughly abused that we really need to do something about it immediately--but we won't.

The minors may have taken advantage of a refugee law, but the fact remains that their parents are illegals--and should have been deported before the invasion of their third-world offspring.

So we can look forward to being overrun by more illegals and move closer and closer to a third-world country. I hope I'm long dead before that happens. We're already well on our way.

I do think the primary way to fix it is to STOP automatic birthright citizenship--then there would be no anchor babies.
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Old 11-06-2014, 04:21 PM
 
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How does granting amnesty fix the problem? Change the law? It would still be a violation of our immigration laws to come here illegally. So how would the law be changed?
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Old 11-06-2014, 04:23 PM
 
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Yes, we do. The question is....why? Just political? Just business wanting cheap labor? If we had the will--and really wanted to do it--we could.

The concept of birthright citizenship was never intended for the children of illegal aliens, who have no right to be here in the first place. It has been so thoroughly abused that we really need to do something about it immediately--but we won't.

The minors may have taken advantage of a refugee law, but the fact remains that their parents are illegals--and should have been deported before the invasion of their third-world offspring.

So we can look forward to being overrun by more illegals and move closer and closer to a third-world country. I hope I'm long dead before that happens. We're already well on our way.

I do think the primary way to fix it is to STOP automatic birthright citizenship--then there would be no anchor babies.
We lack both the will and the ability. The illegals are embedded in a large and legal population. We not only don't want to deport them we likely could not dig them all out in a dozen years. And the attempt would be so disruptive that we would all soon tire of it. And, if we manage in 12 or 15 years to get rid of most we would have this huge police force with no role left. You think we are going to lay them all off?

Ignoring it we risk a set of circumstances occurring which turns the inflow back up. And then we begin to build a new wave under the existing wave and the legal population. That wave gets to a couple of million and again deportation becomes unworkable.

And there is no will to change birthright and likely will not be at any time in the forseeable future. Just anouther would it not be nice if...but it ain't gonna happen.
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Old 11-06-2014, 04:35 PM
 
Location: Where I live.
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We lack both the will and the ability. The illegals are embedded in a large and legal population. We not only don't want to deport them we likely could not dig them all out in a dozen years. And the attempt would be so disruptive that we would all soon tire of it. And, if we manage in 12 or 15 years to get rid of most we would have this huge police force with no role left. You think we are going to lay them all off?

Ignoring it we risk a set of circumstances occurring which turns the inflow back up. And then we begin to build a new wave under the existing wave and the legal population. That wave gets to a couple of million and again deportation becomes unworkable.

And there is no will to change birthright and likely will not be at any time in the forseeable future. Just anouther would it not be nice if...but it ain't gonna happen.
If we truly had the will, we would find a way. It may be unpopular among politicians who are afraid for their seats, but I don't think it is among the general population. Nobody likes freeloaders who come here to mooch off of our system. The fact that we have to educate them (Plyler vs Doe, 198?) is an even bigger drain. They use resources to which their parents do not contribute.

"Reform" is just another word for amnesty. We keep granting amnesty, and the problem will continue to get much worse.

IF we were to start enforcing the existing laws--and truly sealed the border, it could be done.
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Old 11-06-2014, 05:23 PM
 
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Granting amnesty would be the worse thing to do. It was proven in 1986. Now we have at least quadruple the number of illegal aliens today. Granting amnesty would only encourage more to come to get in on the next amnesty.

As for our schools the parents may contribute via their rents but that doesn't solve the problem of overcrowding, having to constantly build new schools to accommodate their kids and a constant flow of non-English speaking students that are also a burden and detriment to our own students.

I truly believe that not in the too distant future that birthright citizenship will be rightfully clarified so that only kids born from at least one citizen parent can gain birthright citizenship. We would be joining the rest of the majority of the world who does likewise.

E-verify will eventually be passed also. Many if not most illegals will self-deport with these two things in place and it would be a huge deterrant for more to come.
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