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Old 11-06-2014, 06:44 PM
 
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Granting amnesty would be the worse thing to do. It was proven in 1986. Now we have at least quadruple the number of illegal aliens today. Granting amnesty would only encourage more to come to get in on the next amnesty.

As for our schools the parents may contribute via their rents but that doesn't solve the problem of overcrowding, having to constantly build new schools to accommodate their kids and a constant flow of non-English speaking students that are also a burden and detriment to our own students.

I truly believe that not in the too distant future that birthright citizenship will be rightfully clarified so that only kids born from at least one citizen parent can gain birthright citizenship. We would be joining the rest of the majority of the world who does likewise.

E-verify will eventually be passed also. Many if not most illegals will self-deport with these two things in place and it would be a huge deterrant for more to come.
And talk about the inbility to deal with reality..."self deport"...And all you need is to win the lottery!

You guys put out this balderdash and you actually believe it.

A Constitutional change sufficient to modify birthright citizenship will require agreement by most Americans. It is doubtful it can even get a majority.

e-Verify is a big company thing. Subcontractors and little business just go off the books. What we do is make the grey market stronger...a thing we really don't need.

But none of it makes anyone "self deport".

You know where "self deport" came from don't you? It was developed when the right leadership realized there was no way to formally deport all those people. So they came up with the looking glass solution..."we will make it so unpleasant they will all leave". Sure they will...just a couple of months after the Pacific Ocean goes dry...
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Old 11-06-2014, 09:53 PM
 
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You are preaching fairy tales...and making that which you dislike worse in the process.

We lack both the will and the ability to deport the illegals.

The minors took advantage of the law. So change the law...though doubtful the will exists to do that.

Birth Right Citizens is a Constitutional issue. You require virtually complete agreement to pull one off. We have no where near full agreement.

So it being clear the things you would like are not in the cards how about trying to fix the problem before it gets worse?
Maybe you're the 1 who needs to open your eyes. I say that because except for Canada: ALL decent countries stopped birthright citizenship, even Ireland.
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Old 11-06-2014, 11:12 PM
 
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Maybe you're the 1 who needs to open your eyes. I say that because except for Canada: ALL decent countries stopped birthright citizenship, even Ireland.
And I know if no other country that has anything like our 2nd Amendment. So we should dump it?

There is no consensus to do anything about birth right so nothing is going to happen. Simple as that. The US is very resistant to any Constitutional Change and this one is no where near happening.

That dog don't hunt.
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Old 11-07-2014, 06:15 AM
 
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Making life harder for illegals is certainly a better approach than rewarding them.
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Old 11-07-2014, 10:31 AM
 
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Making life harder for illegals is certainly a better approach than rewarding them.
You mean you would feel better making their life harder.

Just be certain that your approach does not hurt any Americans like the children of illegals.
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Old 11-07-2014, 03:07 PM
 
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You mean you would feel better making their life harder.

Just be certain that your approach does not hurt any Americans like the children of illegals.
American children are hurt everyday when their criminal parents are sent to prison.
No, what I meant is exactly what I said.
Making life harder for illegals is a better approach than rewarding them. Only a fool would think that rewarding unwanted behavior is a solution. The fact of the matter is that we owe illegals not one shred of special consideration. All criminals should be held accountable and we should be enforcing our laws.
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Old 11-07-2014, 03:16 PM
 
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You mean you would feel better making their life harder.

Just be certain that your approach does not hurt any Americans like the children of illegals.
Def time to put a stop to birthright citizenship and, maybe take away birthright from anchor kids under a certain age like make 17 and younger. At least we'd be following other countries like Ireland, Spain, Germany, Japan and so on there. Unless 1 parent is a citizen or at least a legal alien; even if born on US soil, that kid should NOT be given US citizenship. Period.
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Old 11-07-2014, 03:25 PM
 
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I think that those who whine and cry about illegals having such hard lives in this country need to put their money where their mouths are and move several into their homes. Plus they shouldn't stop there. They need to feed, clothe, shelter and pay for the medical care these illegals require---and they need to pay it out of their own pockets. While they're at it, they should let the illegals use their own SSNs. You see, there is a huge loophole in the law that says it's okay if someone uses your SSN as long as they don't use your name with it. So, just remind the illegals who move into your house to not use your name when they use your number.
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Old 11-07-2014, 04:04 PM
 
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American children are hurt everyday when their criminal parents are sent to prison.
No, what I meant is exactly what I said.
Making life harder for illegals is a better approach than rewarding them. Only a fool would think that rewarding unwanted behavior is a solution. The fact of the matter is that we owe illegals not one shred of special consideration. All criminals should be held accountable and we should be enforcing our laws.
First off their behavior is illegal. But it is not necessarily criminal. Mostly this stuff is civil rather than criminal.

There is no good mechanism to make illegals life hard enough to send them home. Things are simply better here particularly for those long established. You can do things which will increase the gray market but that is probably worse for the US than it is for the illegals.

Crime convictions are not mass actions against a group of citizen children. Many of the proposals are such an action. Those actions are basically un-American and likely not Constitutional..

And virtually all of this is Bluster with no factual basis. There is no will to do any of it. And there is no funding. So basically you folks are blustering yourself into inaction allowing the problem to worsen while you sit and dream about how good it will be when you put those illegals into their place. Meanwhile the problem will grow and we will end up with 20 million to deal with instead of 11.
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Old 11-07-2014, 05:21 PM
 
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The U.S. really needs to bring back a 1924 style immigration act and deport all the illegals and traitors in power.
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