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Old 01-02-2008, 08:10 AM
 
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I need them - because they are CHEAP! I can pay them less for a job that should be paid more thus taking a job away from an American. Yep Mexicans are BETTER for greedy and corrupt business.

 
Old 01-02-2008, 10:11 AM
 
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That's all just BS. If they can generalize about workers from certain places, why are they upset if WE generalize about illegals?

Hypocrites.
 
Old 01-02-2008, 10:32 AM
 
Location: CA Coast
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I need them - because they are CHEAP! I can pay them less for a job that should be paid more thus taking a job away from an American. Yep Mexicans are BETTER for greedy and corrupt business.
Capitalism, which is the American economic system depends on profit, that profit goes back into the business for materials, advertising, dividends, paying the electric bill etc. The greater the difference between cost of production and selling price of product, the greater the product. One would have to be foolish indeed to consciously reduce profit. As a business manager in a competitive market you must be able to create product and sell that product competitively.

Labor cost is a huge proportion of any product cost. If you can find quality labor at a lessor cost than your competitor you will increase profit. That is the American way.

In many business areas there is a shortage of labor. In order to provide product one needs to solve that problem.

Agriculture in California alone is a 30 billion dollar business. It requires masses of laborers. If you can solve the labor problem I would like to hear about it.
 
Old 01-02-2008, 11:44 AM
 
Location: Texas
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"Agriculture in California alone is a 30 billion dollar business. It requires masses of laborers. If you can solve the labor problem I would like to hear about it."

Agriculture could be FAR more mechanized than it is. The technology exists to replace most pickers with machines but it hasn't been done because of the availability of cheap labor. It would make much more financial sense for the government to assist farmers with purchasing the equipment necessary to modernize than to effectively keep our borders open to assure a flood of cheap labor.

Robotics and other technology are used in every other industry; it's way past time for food production to modernize, as well. I've read that to mechanize we may have to sacrifice some more fragile types of tomatoes and such but big deal! If I absolutely HAVE to have those varieties, I can cultivate a few plants in my own backyard.
 
Old 01-02-2008, 12:00 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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Labor cost is a huge proportion of any product cost. If you can find quality labor at a lessor cost than your competitor you will increase profit. That is the American way.

In many business areas there is a shortage of labor. In order to provide product one needs to solve that problem.
This was the same rationale of the plantation owners for slavery.
 
Old 01-02-2008, 12:39 PM
 
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Capitalism, which is the American economic system depends on profit, that profit goes back into the business for materials, advertising, dividends, paying the electric bill etc. The greater the difference between cost of production and selling price of product, the greater the product. One would have to be foolish indeed to consciously reduce profit. As a business manager in a competitive market you must be able to create product and sell that product competitively.

Labor cost is a huge proportion of any product cost. If you can find quality labor at a lessor cost than your competitor you will increase profit. That is the American way.

In many business areas there is a shortage of labor. In order to provide product one needs to solve that problem.

Agriculture in California alone is a 30 billion dollar business. It requires masses of laborers. If you can solve the labor problem I would like to hear about it.
Do you support abolishing the minimum wage? How about abolishing all labor laws?

Let's take a different angle. Why should I pay anybody for anything? I mean, you imply that profit seeking transcends law.
 
Old 01-02-2008, 01:25 PM
 
Location: Helena, Montana
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Capitalism, which is the American economic system depends on profit, that profit goes back into the business for materials, advertising, dividends, paying the electric bill etc. The greater the difference between cost of production and selling price of product, the greater the product. One would have to be foolish indeed to consciously reduce profit. As a business manager in a competitive market you must be able to create product and sell that product competitively.

Labor cost is a huge proportion of any product cost. If you can find quality labor at a lessor cost than your competitor you will increase profit. That is the American way.

In many business areas there is a shortage of labor. In order to provide product one needs to solve that problem.

Agriculture in California alone is a 30 billion dollar business. It requires masses of laborers. If you can solve the labor problem I would like to hear about it.
No one is arguing that hiring illegals doesn't save the companies money, but as far as fields like construction (i.e. new housing, remodels, etc.) that savings is sure not being passed on to the consumer, so where do you think it's going? And why should any of us believe it's not the case with every other field that uses illegal labor? Did you ever think that greed and increased profits by the use of illegal labor is WRONG no matter how it benefits the business? You seem to be well read up on capitalism, so put that book down and read up on the following: 1) The laws of the United States and the consequences for breaking them, 2) Morals, and 3) Business ethics.
 
Old 01-02-2008, 03:01 PM
 
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When using "American" could you be more specific? Canadians as well as Argentinians are all Americans!!!! Oh and Mexicans are North Americans as are those from the USA or from Canada.

Do you mean like, United States of America, Canada of America and Mexico of America ? I've only heard of the first "of America"...not the other two.
 
Old 01-02-2008, 03:49 PM
 
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Default From A gal who picked apples..

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Of course, that is bogus, misleading and probably wrong, just look at how many white americans work piece work in the vegetable fields, Oh, None? oooops

I am here to tell you that I did work on an apple orchard while getting my education.
I am not an immigrant.
I am white.
 
Old 01-02-2008, 03:54 PM
 
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Default Go down to your local welfare office

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Capitalism, which is the American economic system depends on profit, that profit goes back into the business for materials, advertising, dividends, paying the electric bill etc. The greater the difference between cost of production and selling price of product, the greater the product. One would have to be foolish indeed to consciously reduce profit. As a business manager in a competitive market you must be able to create product and sell that product competitively.

Labor cost is a huge proportion of any product cost. If you can find quality labor at a lessor cost than your competitor you will increase profit. That is the American way.

In many business areas there is a shortage of labor. In order to provide product one needs to solve that problem.

Agriculture in California alone is a 30 billion dollar business. It requires masses of laborers. If you can solve the labor problem I would like to hear about it.

Ask welfare to forward a few employees.
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