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Old 01-01-2008, 09:25 PM
 
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I think you missed my point, the checkpoints are paid for by American tax dollars.

And so are the children and families of the workers that tend your fields.

Point?
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Old 01-01-2008, 09:34 PM
 
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And this has to do with......?
You obviously did not read Malamute's post to which I was responding to....
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Old 01-01-2008, 09:51 PM
 
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You obviously did not read Malamute's post to which I was responding to....
No, I read both. I just don't understand what you're insinuating and/or rationalizing away with your statement.
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Old 01-02-2008, 07:14 AM
 
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There are some that say they put in more than they take out, but they can only compare that with a gross number of all of them together, not individually.
Who gives a flyin fig about a tiny fraction of high paying illegals, where ever they are. Fact is they are all ILLEGAL. And the VAST majority of them are sucking America dry. We legal taxpayers are getting the shaft here folks. I don't care how you try to spin it. Facts are facts.
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Old 01-02-2008, 07:15 AM
 
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And so are the children and families of the workers that tend your fields.

Point?
Well I just looked out my window and I see no children or families tending my fields. If I do, I'll call the police.
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Old 01-02-2008, 07:18 AM
 
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Yep!! But the fact remains that anyone at all that says that illegals are not a drain on our society and the country as a whole is mentally unstable or flat out lying and there is no getting around that fact.
And why should any reasonable person spend any time trying to talk to such irrational souls? We are just too damned nice
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Old 01-02-2008, 08:52 AM
 
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If illegals are paying taxes, they're committing fraud. They either made up a social security number (the IRS has several that are the SAME), or they've stolen a citizen's social security number.

So, I don't CARE if they're paying taxes or not - they are committing fraud. Sheesh.
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Old 01-02-2008, 10:03 AM
 
Location: CA Coast
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I think you missed my point, the checkpoints are paid for by American tax dollars.

And so are the children and families of the workers that tend your fields.
There is a syntax error here which renders this unintelligible.

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Yep!! But the fact remains that anyone at all that says that illegals are not a drain on our society and the country as a whole is mentally unstable or flat out lying and there is no getting around that fact.
Actually, all independent research shows a + gain to society or at worst, a wash.
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Old 01-02-2008, 10:31 AM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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Actually, all independent research shows a + gain to society or at worst, a wash.
Not correct

Independent research shows illegal immigrants to be a tremendous financial drain on American taxpayers.
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Old 01-02-2008, 12:30 PM
 
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Not correct

Independent research shows illegal immigrants to be a tremendous financial drain on American taxpayers.
They cost us tremendously in many ways - culture, job market, schools, medical care, welfare costs, etc.

How can we say they are no drain on us if they had to close down all those hospitals in California because of illegals who couldn't pay their bills? Now, the legal immigrants and citizens don't have those hospitals for their own healthcare.

Look at the cost with bilingual education in the schools, and interpreters in hospitals and elsewhere that we pay for, the depression in our wages, the crime that adds to what we already have especially the gangs, what about waiting in line wasting time at a hospital because illegals are there for a cold, and on and on.

It's not just financial, and I don't CARE if they do bring us something in that area (which I doubt), there's lots of other ways of "draining" us.

We just don't NEED illegals. We have enough poverty already.
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