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Old 11-13-2014, 10:46 AM
 
Location: N Atlanta
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I think we should get rid of HB visas too
Exactly, H-1B visas need to be eliminated as well. Foreign temp workers displacing Americans is not very American now is it ?

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Old 11-13-2014, 10:53 AM
 
Location: N Atlanta
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So what? Those people are all dead now. No one can speak for them. Today most Americans don't have a problem with legal immigrants just those here illegally. Yeah, the difference is the law and it's a BIG difference! Anyone who violates laws can't be of good character. It's not up to you to decide what is morally or even legally wrong. Laws whether you like them or not are in place and for good reasons and they make those decisions.

While they sneak across the border to feed their families they are taking food off the table from American families who have lost their jobs to them had their wages reduced or had their taxes go through the roof supporting them or doesn't that matter? They need to seek change in their own countries not come here and take what doesn't belong to them from the rightful citizens and legal immigrants of this country.

Securing our borders is necessary because of the above and because terrorists and criminals are coming here also through our border. We can't educate our children because of the necessity to secure our borders? Yet you don't mind illegals depleting our tax coffers which means less for our own? Isn't that the same thing? I'm not following you here.

There are no free market principles that allow employers to hire illegal aliens nor should there be. Capitalism has nothing to do with it. We shouldn't put our own Americans first in regards to job opportunities? Really? I'm done debating with you. It just makes me angry to read the types of posts like yours and I don't want to get in trouble here. Bye.
Oldglory - I wish we had more people that think like you in Washington. Unfortunately, most Dems have been brainwashed with corporate money supplied by lobbyist scum and lost the ability to think clearly. Anyone in their right mind can see that granting amnesty to 4.5 million initially will just create a tsunami of enormous magnitude later. Why even have borders ?

Even though we became involved in WWI, I vote to reincarnate Woodrow Wilson and bring back isolationism. Why do we have to be the world's benefactor at the risk of a substandard existence for many Americans ?
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Old 11-13-2014, 05:11 PM
 
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Educated people and corporate america benefit from cheap labor, the people that get hurt are people with low skills and low education. Any kid tryna get a summer job next summer or even a regular job job at a fast food or any low skilled job is basically screwed, the thing is they were already screwed as it is
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Old 11-13-2014, 07:20 PM
 
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Educated people and corporate america benefit from cheap labor, the people that get hurt are people with low skills and low education. Any kid tryna get a summer job next summer or even a regular job job at a fast food or any low skilled job is basically screwed, the thing is they were already screwed as it is
Those in the construction industry got hit real hard also. Many of those jobs I wouldn't consider to be low skilled. Many middle class Americans held those jobs.
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Old 11-13-2014, 07:49 PM
 
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Exactly, H-1B visas need to be eliminated as well. Foreign temp workers displacing Americans is not very American now is it ?

I say we go even farther..

Eliminate the wet foot dry foot policy.


Cubans should not get preference over Mexicans,or anyone for that matter.
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Old 11-13-2014, 08:24 PM
 
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I say we go even farther..

Eliminate the wet foot dry foot policy.


Cubans should not get preference over Mexicans,or anyone for that matter.
Agreed.
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Old 11-14-2014, 09:44 AM
 
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I would seriously like an answer to this question as I've never once seen them explain it properly on any news venue. If you're not in the country legally then you shouldn't be here! Is this so hard to understand? Our country has enough problems as it is we cannot even handle millions and millions of more people. Look at how overpopulated some areas have already become. We don't even have enough living wage jobs for the people that are already here. What's going to happen when a terrorist comes through the Mexican border? From what I have read a certain percentage of people that come through the Mexican border aren't even from Mexico.
Liberals support illegal immigration and high numbers of immigration for two reasons

1. Big business, Big Banks, Big Media and Big bureaucrats give more money to the Democratic Party and liberal organizations than the Republican Party. Why? Unwanted immigration leads to unemployment and dump of salaries for the domestic workforce. You create an “Mumbai economy” meaning sweatshops, slums and people who work for no money. The Democrats are the leading party when it comes to increase immigration and this is one of the reasons.

2. Liberals seek to change the racial demographics so whites become (will before 2040) a minority in the land their forefathers founded. Why want the liberals this? Non-Whites vote (including Jews) for Democrats which means that when whites are a minority the Democrats will always win. Liberals are supported by minority-organizations that see immigration (of their own group) as a tool to gain political and economical power by demographic numbers. They also want to see whites as a minority in the USA because they see them as a threat to their identity. Mestizo-organization La Raza (The Race) wants to even drive out the whites from the United States and see demographics is a tool in the war. Demographics in warfare are actually nothing new and are actually a type of warfare which is illegal by international law in wars but not when political elite does it against its own population.

Such warfare is done by China in by China occupied Tibet. Chinese are shipped to Tibet so the Tibetans become a minority. Jews and Palestinians have done so towards each other since the very beginning of Zionism. Whites did it to blacks, Asians, Arabs and Native Americans. It was pretty much okay until 1945 when white identity-politics became taboo. In United States, a former multi-ethnic colony and with an historical immigration the concept of “American” is blurred. In fact, everybody can become an American because it is just about the loyalty oath to the constitution of United States. The former WASP-elite didn’t really believe in it (although they hypocritical never expressed it politically) but they have been replaced by others elites since the 1980s.

In Europe it is a whole other deal because Europe is a continent with historical ethno-nations. You cannot “become” for example Norwegian because Norwegian is an ethnic group. The opposition for immigration is much stronger in Europe than in United States because Europeans see their homeland being “occupied” by foreigners just as Native Americans did or why not the Palestinians, the Irish (by the Brits) or the people of Tibet do. Their opposition is not only directed towards non-whites but also towards each other which can be seen in mostly Eastern Europe.

I can assure you that people who are liberals are not liberals because of their “love for diversity”. You want to find people who “love diversity” than you ought to talk with fundamentalist Christians and Mormons but stay away from these “God will come back when all Jews are gather in Israel crowed” – they are also called the Christian-Right and is pretty racist people. But in general fundamentalist Christians don’t see color but most people do regardless of race. It is not that some race is better than another when it comes to morals. There is a reason why I have a distaste for racial, religious and ethno nationalists although I’m not colorblind and share the liberal (or the mainstream conservative) agenda.

Here is a few books to be recommended on the topic of immigration and multiculturalism by scholars within the dicipline. I think this will cover all sides including scholars with "right-wing" and "left-wing" opinions on the matter.

Who Are We? The Challenges to America's National Identity (2004)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_Are...ional_Identity

The Origins of Political Order (2011)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ori...olitical_Order

We Are All Multiculturalists Now (1997)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathan_Glazer

World On Fire: How Exporting Free Market Democracy Breeds Ethnic Hatred and Global Instability (2002)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_o...al_Instability

The Jewish Century (2004)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuri_Slezkine

The Uniqueness of Western Civilization (2011)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ricardo_Duchesne

Culture & Equality: An Egalitarian Critique of Multiculturalism (2001)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Barry

Justice, Gender, and the Family (1989)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Moller_Okin

American Grace: How Religion Divides and Unites Us (2010)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_D._Putnam

On Genetic Interests: Family, Ethnicity, and Humanity in an Age of Mass Migration (2003)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_Genetic_Interests

The Meaning of Race: Race, History and Culture in Western Society (1996)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenan_Malik

A New Politics of Identity: Political Principles for an Interdependent World (2008)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhikhu_Parekh

Dependent Rational Animals (1999)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alasdair_MacIntyre

Political Liberalism (1993)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_Liberalism

Immigrants: Your Country Needs Them (2007)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippe_Legrain

Politics in the Vernacular: Nationalism, Multiculturalism, Citizenship (2001)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Will_Kymlicka

Orientalism (1978)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orientalism_(book)

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Old 11-14-2014, 01:13 PM
 
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I agree I think there is some sort of master agenda and the main reasons are demographics, an attempt to completely change the country, wages, and votes.

Was Pat Buchanan right? He had a book called The Death of the West back in the early 2000's.

I don't see how millions of poor immigrants from Mexico are going to help our country any. All that is going to do is take jobs away from Americans and increase unemployment. I don't see how they can justify it. It would be different if our country was in better shape but we're not the same country that we were. We are becoming a less wealthy country with more and more people than ever in poverty.
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Old 11-14-2014, 01:32 PM
 
Location: USA
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I agree I think there is some sort of master agenda and the main reasons are demographics, an attempt to completely change the country, wages, and votes.

Was Pat Buchanan right? He had a book called The Death of the West back in the early 2000's.

I don't see how millions of poor immigrants from Mexico are going to help our country any. All that is going to do is take jobs away from Americans and increase unemployment. I don't see how they can justify it. It would be different if our country was in better shape but we're not the same country that we were. We are becoming a less wealthy country with more and more people than ever in poverty.
And illegal immigration has gone down as the American economic engine sputters. They are not idiots. They also see our trend towards a conservative do-nothing government like they already have everywhere in Latin America and suddenly the grass doesn't look so green.
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Old 11-14-2014, 01:45 PM
 
Location: USA
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I love how invasion cheerleaders bring up traffic violations and compare them to illegal immigration. First of all, I make every effort to obey traffic laws. If I do get lead-footed and get stopped by the police, well, then, I deserved to be stopped and will pay the consequences for doing so.

Funny that you should bring up alcohol. When I came of age the drinking was 18. So, yes, I legally imbibed when I was under 21

Illegal aliens don't care about violating numerous laws. It just doesn't stop at illegal immgiration. Once here, they do one of the following---1) Engage in ID theft; 2) Use a fake SSN that may well belong to someone living or; 3) Get paid under the table.

No, I would NEVER be an illegal alien in another country. You see, doing so for me would weigh heavily on my conscience. Unlike the millions of illegal aliens in this country, I was raised with a moral compass and taught to obey the law.

Securing our borders is indeed well worth the money. Any measure that will stop or drastically slow illegal immigration is NOT a waste. Illegal aliens are parasites and leeches. Getting rid of them means that there is more money for our own poor.

Oh...and you are very, very wrong if you think that illegal aliens are not in gangs. Do some research.

No one said that we don't have homegrown criminal lowlifes. We have enough trouble dealing with them, we don't need to add any more.

I don't care what some government official tells me to do. If the government votes that using the internet is illegal, I'm damn well still going to use it. My moral compass does not depend on the whims of whichever of the thousands of governments here in the USA whose jurisdiction I live in.
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