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Old 01-19-2008, 04:44 AM
 
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Old 04-22-2009, 07:41 PM
 
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In an effort to educate people on the immigration issue and hopefully counter the overwhelmingly uneducated statements expressed here with some economical facts, I am posting an article I read in the Wall Street Journal this last Monday. This article explains in detail the real consequences and the impact of legal and illegal immigration. In essence, It totally supports my theory that this immigration problem is truly blown out of proportion.



Keeping Book on Immigration
December 31, 2007; Page A12




The Census Bureau informs us that when the clock strikes midnight, the U.S. population will exceed 303.1 million. That represents a one-year increase of 0.9% and a 22% increase since 1990, when our population stood at a mere 248.7 million souls. A lot of this growth is driven by immigration, a topic that has dominated the news for much of 2007.

Talk radio hosts, cable newscasters and Presidential hopefuls insist that foreign nationals drive crime rates, swell welfare rolls and steal jobs. But the data tell a very different story.

Between 1994 and 2005, the illegal immigrant population in the U.S. is estimated to have doubled to around 12 million. Yet according the Department of Justice, over that same period the violent crime rate in the U.S. declined by 34.2% and the property crime rate fell by 26.4%, reaching their lowest levels since 1973. Crime has fallen in cities with the largest immigrant populations -- such as New York, Los Angeles, Chicago and Miami -- as well as border cities like San Diego and El Paso, Texas.

A recent paper by the Immigration Policy Center, an advocacy group, notes that "Numerous studies by independent researchers and government commissions over the past 100 years repeatedly and consistently have found that immigrants are less likely to commit crimes or be behind bars than the native born." Today, immigrants on balance are five times less likely to be in prison than someone born here.

It's not because law-abiding foreign professionals from India and China are compensating for criminally inclined low-skill Latinos. Immigrants from countries that comprise the bulk of our illegal alien population -- including Mexicans, Salvadorans and Guatemalans -- have lower incarceration rates than the native-born.

Another popular belief is that immigrants come here to go on the dole. The data show that welfare caseloads have fallen as illegal immigration has risen. As Peter Wehner and Yuval Levin report in the December issue of Commentary magazine, "Since the high-water mark in 1994, the national welfare caseload has declined by 60%. Virtually every state in the union has reduced its caseload by at least a third, and some have achieved reductions of over 90%."

Apparently immigrants don't drive welfare caseloads anymore than they drive the U.S. crime rate. The authors go on to note that, "Not only have the numbers of people on welfare plunged, but, in the wake of the 1996 welfare-reform bill, overall poverty, child poverty, black child poverty and child hunger have all decreased, while employment figures for single mothers have risen."

For all the talk about the "invasion" of million upon million of job-consuming immigrants, the unemployment rate stands at 4.7%, and job growth continues apace. Immigrants aren't stealing jobs but filling them. The economic activity they create as consumers and entrepreneurs contributes to the overall economic growth.

None of this is to argue that illegal immigration doesn't have costs, especially in border communities and states with large public benefits. In the post-9/11 environment, knowing who's in the country is more important than ever. That's an argument for better regulating cross-border labor flows, not ending them.

The best way to reduce pressure on the border is by providing legal ways for people to come and work. With the Bracero guest-worker program of the 1950s, illegal entries from Mexico declined to a trickle. A similar program today could have much the same effect, while serving our homeland security and economic interests. On balance, the evidence shows that immigrants are still an asset to the U.S.

Great post!!! So many myths have been debunked, and yet the "irrational radicals" refuse to get it. Good thing they don't count for sh**, that's why we elected Barack so overwhelmingly...
 
Old 04-22-2009, 09:00 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Great post!!! So many myths have been debunked, and yet the "irrational radicals" refuse to get it. Good thing they don't count for sh**, that's why we elected Barack so overwhelmingly...
And what makes you think that Obama will be the illegal aliens' savior??

The illegal alien apologists may be in for a very rude awakening--------especially if we have any sort of terrorist attack traceable to back to Mexico (drug cartel crap comes to mind) and/or our unemployment rate goes much higher.
 
Old 04-22-2009, 10:02 PM
 
Location: San Diego California
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A lot of this growth is driven by immigration, a topic that has dominated the news for much of 2007.
This in itself is a huge problem, we are in a time of dwindling resources and population growth from outside sources is really not needed.

Numerous studies by independent researchers and government commissions over the past 100 years repeatedly and consistently have found that immigrants are less likely to commit crimes or be behind bars than the native born."
Really? Having lived in this country my whole life, I just do not remember the problems with gangs and drive by shootings that we have seen from the Hispanic immigrants who are sporting the gang names and signs from Mexico, and Columbia. When we see all the millions and millions of dollars of property damage being done by graffiti it must be the native born Germans and Irish doing it.

Apparently immigrants don't drive welfare caseloads anymore than they drive the U.S. crime rate. The authors go on to note that, "Not only have the numbers of people on welfare plunged, but, in the wake of the 1996 welfare-reform bill, overall poverty, child poverty, black child poverty and child hunger have all decreased, while employment figures for single mothers have risen."
This has nothing to do with immigration and everything to do with Welfare Reform.

For all the talk about the "invasion" of million upon million of job-consuming immigrants, the unemployment rate stands at 4.7%, and job growth continues apace. Immigrants aren't stealing jobs but filling them. The economic activity they create as consumers and entrepreneurs contributes to the overall economic growth.
This is a joke right? The unemployment rate is now 10.5% and growth is in the toilet. The last thing we need is illegal immigrants taking jobs Americans need.

The immigration problem will now be addressed by the same government that allowed the problem in the first place. You see history repeats itself and in the last depression the government found illegal aliens as a convenient heat sink to divert blame away from themselves. They could deport aliens in large numbers and make it look like they were doing something for the citizens. Soon it will happen again.
 
Old 04-23-2009, 04:22 PM
 
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And what makes you think that Obama will be the illegal aliens' savior??

The illegal alien apologists may be in for a very rude awakening--------especially if we have any sort of terrorist attack traceable to back to Mexico (drug cartel crap comes to mind) and/or our unemployment rate goes much higher.

So, you wish that we have a terrorist attack from SOB, to have strong arguments against the migrant workers, what kind of scrwed up magical thinking is this??, as I we didn't have a huge amount of home grown terrorists,:ham d:
 
Old 04-23-2009, 05:27 PM
 
Location: Pa
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So, you wish that we have a terrorist attack from SOB, to have strong arguments against the migrant workers, what kind of scrwed up magical thinking is this??, as I we didn't have a huge amount of home grown terrorists,:ham d:
Thats not what AB said..
He said that the pro-illegal apologists may be in for a rude awakening if a terrorist attack is traced back to SOB.
Please try to keep up. Putting words in other peoples mouths is just another way of trying to redirect when you don't have a valid argument.
 
Old 04-23-2009, 05:52 PM
 
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Thats not what AB said..
He said that the pro-illegal apologists may be in for a rude awakening if a terrorist attack is traced back to SOB.
Please try to keep up. Putting words in other peoples mouths is just another way of trying to redirect when you don't have a valid argument.
It's what they do because they have no defense for the indefensible. We both know that illegal immigration is both reprehensible and indefensible.
 
Old 04-23-2009, 06:04 PM
 
Location: Pa
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It's what they do because they have no defense for the indefensible. We both know that illegal immigration is both reprehensible and indefensible.
Very true.
Their excuses remind of TV comercials I saw in the 1970's.
Don't let a good boy go bad.
Then the camera would show a car with the keys left in it. Then a teen aged kid would walk up and see the keys.
Oh and travesty of travesties. The kid would get in the car and try the ignition.
Don't let a good kid go bad lock your doors.
How about good kids wouldn't even consider stealing a car....
In this case the comercial will start.
Don't let a good immigrant go bad..
It shows a border with no fence, a social security card and home depot.
The immigrant looks both ways and see's no border patrol and steps accross the border.
Don't let a good immigrant go bad just give them a green card so that they don't have to feel like criminals.
 
Old 04-23-2009, 08:02 PM
 
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Very true.
Their excuses remind of TV comercials I saw in the 1970's.
Don't let a good boy go bad.
Then the camera would show a car with the keys left in it. Then a teen aged kid would walk up and see the keys.
Oh and travesty of travesties. The kid would get in the car and try the ignition.
Don't let a good kid go bad lock your doors.
How about good kids wouldn't even consider stealing a car....
In this case the comercial will start.
Don't let a good immigrant go bad..
It shows a border with no fence, a social security card and home depot.
The immigrant looks both ways and see's no border patrol and steps accross the border.
Don't let a good immigrant go bad just give them a green card so that they don't have to feel like criminals.
Wish I could say this is a "great analogy"...but unforunately, it's beyond analogy. What you've described is pretty much the EXACT way many prominent people see illegal immigration today, word-for-word....up to and including, apparently, Janet Napolitano. Illegal immigrants are here because "we let them go bad"...by not stopping them...which, if we HAD stopped them, would have made us 'intolerant'.....because, after all, they're really 'good people'....it's US, and our LAWS, that are 'bad'...
 
Old 04-23-2009, 08:38 PM
 
Location: Pa
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You know if us Americans were not so lazy the illegals wouldn't be forced to come do all our work for us.
If we americans were not so greedy illegals would not be forced to sneak accross our border and low ball wages.
If we americans were not so selfish we would not require any Visa at all and all everyone regardless of criminal background to enter our country, and we should be happy to allow them to live for free. After all are we not all rich?
They deserve to be here. We are racist's because we wish to enforce our laws.
Oh we are an evil nation in deed.
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