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Old 01-02-2008, 08:44 AM
 
Location: Eagan, Minnesota
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In an effort to educate people on the immigration issue and hopefully counter the overwhelmingly uneducated statements expressed here with some economical facts, I am posting an article I read in the Wall Street Journal this last Monday. This article explains in detail the real consequences and the impact of legal and illegal immigration. In essence, It totally supports my theory that this immigration problem is truly blown out of proportion.



Keeping Book on Immigration
December 31, 2007; Page A12




The Census Bureau informs us that when the clock strikes midnight, the U.S. population will exceed 303.1 million. That represents a one-year increase of 0.9% and a 22% increase since 1990, when our population stood at a mere 248.7 million souls. A lot of this growth is driven by immigration, a topic that has dominated the news for much of 2007.

Talk radio hosts, cable newscasters and Presidential hopefuls insist that foreign nationals drive crime rates, swell welfare rolls and steal jobs. But the data tell a very different story.

Between 1994 and 2005, the illegal immigrant population in the U.S. is estimated to have doubled to around 12 million. Yet according the Department of Justice, over that same period the violent crime rate in the U.S. declined by 34.2% and the property crime rate fell by 26.4%, reaching their lowest levels since 1973. Crime has fallen in cities with the largest immigrant populations -- such as New York, Los Angeles, Chicago and Miami -- as well as border cities like San Diego and El Paso, Texas.

A recent paper by the Immigration Policy Center, an advocacy group, notes that "Numerous studies by independent researchers and government commissions over the past 100 years repeatedly and consistently have found that immigrants are less likely to commit crimes or be behind bars than the native born." Today, immigrants on balance are five times less likely to be in prison than someone born here.

It's not because law-abiding foreign professionals from India and China are compensating for criminally inclined low-skill Latinos. Immigrants from countries that comprise the bulk of our illegal alien population -- including Mexicans, Salvadorans and Guatemalans -- have lower incarceration rates than the native-born.

Another popular belief is that immigrants come here to go on the dole. The data show that welfare caseloads have fallen as illegal immigration has risen. As Peter Wehner and Yuval Levin report in the December issue of Commentary magazine, "Since the high-water mark in 1994, the national welfare caseload has declined by 60%. Virtually every state in the union has reduced its caseload by at least a third, and some have achieved reductions of over 90%."

Apparently immigrants don't drive welfare caseloads anymore than they drive the U.S. crime rate. The authors go on to note that, "Not only have the numbers of people on welfare plunged, but, in the wake of the 1996 welfare-reform bill, overall poverty, child poverty, black child poverty and child hunger have all decreased, while employment figures for single mothers have risen."

For all the talk about the "invasion" of million upon million of job-consuming immigrants, the unemployment rate stands at 4.7%, and job growth continues apace. Immigrants aren't stealing jobs but filling them. The economic activity they create as consumers and entrepreneurs contributes to the overall economic growth.

None of this is to argue that illegal immigration doesn't have costs, especially in border communities and states with large public benefits. In the post-9/11 environment, knowing who's in the country is more important than ever. That's an argument for better regulating cross-border labor flows, not ending them.

The best way to reduce pressure on the border is by providing legal ways for people to come and work. With the Bracero guest-worker program of the 1950s, illegal entries from Mexico declined to a trickle. A similar program today could have much the same effect, while serving our homeland security and economic interests. On balance, the evidence shows that immigrants are still an asset to the U.S.

 
Old 01-02-2008, 08:52 AM
 
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Nomatter the brush used, illegal is the issue.
 
Old 01-02-2008, 08:54 AM
 
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Originally Posted by lukeache View Post
In an effort to educate people on the immigration issue and hopefully counter the overwhelmingly uneducated statements expressed here with some economical facts, I am posting an article I read in the Wall Street Journal this last Monday. This article explains in detail the real consequences and the impact of legal and illegal immigration. In essence, It totally supports my theory that this immigration problem is truly blown out of proportion.



Keeping Book on Immigration
December 31, 2007; Page A12




The Census Bureau informs us that when the clock strikes midnight, the U.S. population will exceed 303.1 million. That represents a one-year increase of 0.9% and a 22% increase since 1990, when our population stood at a mere 248.7 million souls. A lot of this growth is driven by immigration, a topic that has dominated the news for much of 2007.

Talk radio hosts, cable newscasters and Presidential hopefuls insist that foreign nationals drive crime rates, swell welfare rolls and steal jobs. But the data tell a very different story.

Between 1994 and 2005, the illegal immigrant population in the U.S. is estimated to have doubled to around 12 million. Yet according the Department of Justice, over that same period the violent crime rate in the U.S. declined by 34.2% and the property crime rate fell by 26.4%, reaching their lowest levels since 1973. Crime has fallen in cities with the largest immigrant populations -- such as New York, Los Angeles, Chicago and Miami -- as well as border cities like San Diego and El Paso, Texas.

A recent paper by the Immigration Policy Center, an advocacy group, notes that "Numerous studies by independent researchers and government commissions over the past 100 years repeatedly and consistently have found that immigrants are less likely to commit crimes or be behind bars than the native born." Today, immigrants on balance are five times less likely to be in prison than someone born here.

It's not because law-abiding foreign professionals from India and China are compensating for criminally inclined low-skill Latinos. Immigrants from countries that comprise the bulk of our illegal alien population -- including Mexicans, Salvadorans and Guatemalans -- have lower incarceration rates than the native-born.

Another popular belief is that immigrants come here to go on the dole. The data show that welfare caseloads have fallen as illegal immigration has risen. As Peter Wehner and Yuval Levin report in the December issue of Commentary magazine, "Since the high-water mark in 1994, the national welfare caseload has declined by 60%. Virtually every state in the union has reduced its caseload by at least a third, and some have achieved reductions of over 90%."

Apparently immigrants don't drive welfare caseloads anymore than they drive the U.S. crime rate. The authors go on to note that, "Not only have the numbers of people on welfare plunged, but, in the wake of the 1996 welfare-reform bill, overall poverty, child poverty, black child poverty and child hunger have all decreased, while employment figures for single mothers have risen."

For all the talk about the "invasion" of million upon million of job-consuming immigrants, the unemployment rate stands at 4.7%, and job growth continues apace. Immigrants aren't stealing jobs but filling them. The economic activity they create as consumers and entrepreneurs contributes to the overall economic growth.

None of this is to argue that illegal immigration doesn't have costs, especially in border communities and states with large public benefits. In the post-9/11 environment, knowing who's in the country is more important than ever. That's an argument for better regulating cross-border labor flows, not ending them.

The best way to reduce pressure on the border is by providing legal ways for people to come and work. With the Bracero guest-worker program of the 1950s, illegal entries from Mexico declined to a trickle. A similar program today could have much the same effect, while serving our homeland security and economic interests. On balance, the evidence shows that immigrants are still an asset to the U.S.
Wonderful and very educative post.
 
Old 01-02-2008, 08:55 AM
 
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Between 1994 and 2005, the illegal immigrant population in the U.S. is estimated to have doubled to around 12 million. Yet according the Department of Justice, over that same period the violent crime rate in the U.S. declined by 34.2% and the property crime rate fell by 26.4%, reaching their lowest levels since 1973. Crime has fallen in cities with the largest immigrant populations -- such as New York, Los Angeles, Chicago and Miami -- as well as border cities like San Diego and El Paso, Texas.

A recent paper by the Immigration Policy Center, an advocacy group, notes that "Numerous studies by independent researchers and government commissions over the past 100 years repeatedly and consistently have found that immigrants are less likely to commit crimes or be behind bars than the native born." Today, immigrants on balance are five times less likely to be in prison than someone born here.

It's not because law-abiding foreign professionals from India and China are compensating for criminally inclined low-skill Latinos. Immigrants from countries that comprise the bulk of our illegal alien population -- including Mexicans, Salvadorans and Guatemalans -- have lower incarceration rates than the native-born

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So much for they are all violent criminals argument.
 
Old 01-02-2008, 09:01 AM
 
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If you don't believe the problems that are being caused by illegal immigration, just keep saying "illegal, illegal, illegal" to yourself. THAT is the main point here. Someone who IMMEDIATELY breaks the law by coming in will not be a good addition to American society, imo.
 
Old 01-02-2008, 09:12 AM
 
Location: Eagan, Minnesota
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If you don't believe the problems that are being caused by illegal immigration, just keep saying "illegal, illegal, illegal" to yourself. THAT is the main point here. Someone who IMMEDIATELY breaks the law by coming in will not be a good addition to American society, imo.
I still do not understand why some people are so passionate about this subject, unless you are ignorant, uneducated and prejudiced. My position on this issue is neutral, illegal or legal immigration so far has had 0 impact on the quality of my life. I obviously do not agree with anything that is against the law, but it is the Government's responsibility to keep illegals out of the country, not mine.

It seems like a lot of these passionate anti-illegal are people that resent their own failures and try to blame it on illegals. Essentially, the "illegal immigrant" has become the boogeyman for people that are failures in life. Geez, I feel so threatened by someone who does not even speak English and has a 4th grade education. Irrational!
 
Old 01-02-2008, 09:20 AM
 
Location: Fort Worth/Dallas
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Luke, you live in Minnesota. I doubt that any area up there is experiencing the many problems as a result of illegal immigration that are occurring in the border states and the West coast/South. Oh, and I am neither uneducated, prejudiced, or ignorant. You would likely be more ignorant than I on the subject since you are not affected by it on a daily basis. And that's not a personal attack; just a statement of fact.
 
Old 01-02-2008, 09:27 AM
 
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I still do not understand why some people are so passionate about this subject, unless you are ignorant, uneducated and prejudiced.
I think a lot of people became passionate about the subject on May 01, 2006 when they saw foriegn nationals waving forien flags on US soil and making demands.
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My position on this issue is neutral, illegal or legal immigration so far has had 0 impact on the quality of my life. I obviously do not agree with anything that is against the law, but it is the Government's responsibility to keep illegals out of the country, not mine.
If a crime doesnt effect you is it not a crime? Perhaps it has had an impact on fellow Americans lives. I expect our government to uphold all laws.

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It seems like a lot of these passionate anti-illegal are people that resent their own failures and try to blame it on illegals. Essentially, the "illegal immigrant" has become the boogeyman for people that are failures in life. Geez, I feel so threatened by someone who does not even speak English and has a 4th grade education. Irrational![/
Irrational is, "it hasnt had an effect on my life so big deal"
 
Old 01-02-2008, 09:27 AM
 
Location: NM
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I don't for one minute believe you are a white American citizen with the attitude you have, or
any of the other pro illegals,

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So much for they are all violent criminals argument.


No one has ever said they are ALL violent criminals. They are all criminals though simply by crossing the border without legal documents.

Heaven help you if you ever incounter those who are violent criminals here illegally. I would not wish that on anyone, even those of you who stick up for them. Do you honestly think all the reports about the violent crimes committed by illegals are nothing but lies? Lke I said, I hope you never learn the truth through personal experience with one of them.
 
Old 01-02-2008, 09:32 AM
 
Location: NJ/NY
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I still do not understand why some people are so passionate about this subject, unless you are ignorant, uneducated and prejudiced. My position on this issue is neutral, illegal or legal immigration so far has had 0 impact on the quality of my life. I obviously do not agree with anything that is against the law, but it is the Government's responsibility to keep illegals out of the country, not mine.

It seems like a lot of these passionate anti-illegal are people that resent their own failures and try to blame it on illegals. Essentially, the "illegal immigrant" has become the boogeyman for people that are failures in life. Geez, I feel so threatened by someone who does not even speak English and has a 4th grade education. Irrational!
If your position was "neutral" you wouldn't be on here with your business slanted articles trying to convince people of your nonsensical rhetoric.

I wish I had time to give you the long answer to this, but I must get back to work. So I will leave you with this: The article is full of purposeful ambiguities. It only cites welfare roles and does not even address the cost of educating their children and taking care of their medical needs. I dont know about your state, but my state spends $18,000 - $20,000 per pupil per year in the poorest school districts. This is where most of these children live and the tax burden is astronomical. Even the few who do pay taxes are not paying nearly enough to educate one of their children on a person per person basis.
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