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Old 01-02-2008, 09:47 AM
 
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Today, January 2, 2008, is the first offical workday since the new Employer Sanctions law has taken effect in Arizona. I have been looking for some real reporting in the Arizona newspapers to see if anything has happened yet.

Have all the fast food places closed down?
Are there any cooks in any of the restaurants?
Are there any bus boys left?
Has the rooms been cleaned at the Motels?
Have all the factories closed?
Are there any people who look Illegal walking down the street?
Does Arizona look like it did in the 1960s when it was mostly sun lovers relocated from the Midwest?

What is happening in Arizona?
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Old 01-02-2008, 11:28 AM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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Today, January 2, 2008, is the first offical workday since the new Employer Sanctions law has taken effect in Arizona.
What is happening in Arizona?
Please - what is happening in Arizona is, the sun came up, it is a beautiful day, and the new law took effect.

As you know, or should know, it will take a month or so for any type of investigations to start - so, why not simply sit back, relax, and wait for a while before making further inquiries -

Or, were you HOPING for everything to fall apart today - is that it??
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Old 01-02-2008, 12:46 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Today, January 2, 2008, is the first offical workday since the new Employer Sanctions law has taken effect in Arizona. I have been looking for some real reporting in the Arizona newspapers to see if anything has happened yet.

Have all the fast food places closed down?
Are there any cooks in any of the restaurants?
Are there any bus boys left?
Has the rooms been cleaned at the Motels?
Have all the factories closed?
Are there any people who look Illegal walking down the street?
Does Arizona look like it did in the 1960s when it was mostly sun lovers relocated from the Midwest?

What is happening in Arizona?
Speaking for myself; I am at work as we speak, working on cars and trucks.
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Old 01-02-2008, 03:09 PM
 
Location: Southern Arizona
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To be realistic, Questioner . . . TODAY IS THE FIRST DAY!

I doubt if anyone with any common sense expects "the parting of the sea" or anything close to occur so soon.
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Old 01-02-2008, 03:13 PM
 
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To be realistic, Questioner . . . TODAY IS THE FIRST DAY!

I doubt if anyone with any common sense expects "the parting of the sea" or anything close to occur so soon.
I disagree. Many employers felt like the law would be enforced retroactively so if they had any illegal aliens on their payroll as of 1/1/08 they could be charged under the employer sanctions law. So I read that many of the employees who were illegal have already been fired. As a result maybe the local fast food place is now understaffed. The employers always said there was not enough legal workers to staff all the open positions, so there must be a huge labor shortage today.
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Old 01-02-2008, 03:33 PM
 
Location: Southern Arizona
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I disagree. Many employers felt like the law would be enforced retroactively so if they had any illegal aliens on their payroll as of 1/1/08 they could be charged under the employer sanctions law. So I read that many of the employees who were illegal have already been fired. As a result maybe the local fast food place is now understaffed. The employers always said there was not enough legal workers to staff all the open positions, so there must be a huge labor shortage today.
Very valid points, questioner.

However, the long term effects will take time. The employers of illegals started "craying fowl" the day the votes were counted long before the effective date and many even before that.

The big question . . . Are these employers unable to find LEGAL employees or are they unable to find LEGAL employees willing to work for the same wages and benefis being paid to the ILLEGAL employees?

It is about time those SCUMBAG EMPLOYERS abide by the law and level the playing field with their competition.
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Old 01-03-2008, 04:47 AM
 
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Thumbs down Law is being ignored

Just as I suspected, the law is being ignored. The politicians are great at passing laws but great at back room deals to tell officals to ignore it.

Employer sanctions law not yet enforced (broken link)

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Old 01-03-2008, 06:38 AM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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Just as I suspected, the law is being ignored. The politicians are great at passing laws but great at back room deals to tell officals to ignore it.

Employer sanctions law not yet enforced (broken link)
You are too funny!!!!!
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Old 01-03-2008, 06:40 AM
 
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Only an idiot would think that things would be different within a day or two. Sheeesh!!!! The pro-illegal crowd is getting crazy these days and getting even more shrill with their lies and hatred of the citizens and the laws of this country.
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Old 01-03-2008, 06:44 AM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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I disagree. Many employers felt like the law would be enforced retroactively so if they had any illegal aliens on their payroll as of 1/1/08 they could be charged under the employer sanctions law. So I read that many of the employees who were illegal have already been fired. As a result maybe the local fast food place is now understaffed. The employers always said there was not enough legal workers to staff all the open positions, so there must be a huge labor shortage today.
Before one can be charged, there has to be PC that there was a violation of the law. To determine there was a violation of the law, there has to be a complaint and an investigation.

The County Attorney's of Arizona could not accept complaints on the new law until Jan 1, 2008. Jan 1 was a holiday and the appropriate divisions in the offices were not open. Therefore, the first business day for complaints was Jan 2, 2008.

No "raids" will ever take place under the new law. I have reason to believe that complaints were made on Jan 2 and files were open. Normal investigations take approx 30 days to complete.

The county attorney's have previously stated that the earliest that a formal charge would probably be brought is on or about Feb 1.

Your "complaint" is nothing more than hyperbole.
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