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Old 11-20-2014, 11:46 AM
 
Location: The land where cats rule
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The first thing the US needs to do is to change that stupid law that just because you're born here, you are a citizen. If your parents aren't citizens then neither are you.In only 30 countries in the world are you a citizen by birth.
Along these line, if their parents had not illegally entered this country and had their children here, they would not be considered "citizens". If their parents are illegals, so are they.
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Old 11-20-2014, 11:53 AM
 
Location: N Atlanta
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Exactly. Think about that...

"Our president is capitulating to their demands and ignoring the voices of the American citizens."

He did the same thing with Obamacare. That is a SIGNIFICANT problem. We have a rogue president. That is an EXTREMELY dangerous state of affairs.
Obama is just following part of the master plan which to dilute the American voter base with uneducated people so the Libs can stay in power indefinitely.
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Old 11-20-2014, 11:57 AM
 
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Along these line, if their parents had not illegally entered this country and had their children here, they would not be considered "citizens". If their parents are illegals, so are they.
Exactly !
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Old 11-20-2014, 11:57 AM
 
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Along these line, if their parents had not illegally entered this country and had their children here, they would not be considered "citizens". If their parents are illegals, so are they.
That is correct. There's plenty of historic evidence to support exactly that. I've posted some of it in the various threads addressing this.
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Old 11-20-2014, 11:57 AM
 
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Jose, you're not "undocumented" you're an illegal alien. We aren't crushing the dreams of "immigrants". Enforcing our immigration laws is what we do with illegal aliens as all countries do. This was just another sob story meant to tug at our hearts.
Jose, you're a criminal. And you exploited your child to continue the farce. Shame on you. And yes, you should be deported along with your child. They are a citizen, but you are their parent and they belong with you. Actions have consequences, and you chose to break the law.
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Old 11-20-2014, 12:02 PM
 
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Jose, you're a criminal. And you exploited your child to continue the farce. Shame on you. And yes, you should be deported along with your child. They are a citizen
I'm positing that their children aren't even citizens. Some of the evidence I've presented...

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1) The 14th Amendment and it's original intent:

Senator Trumbull: "The provision is, that ‘all persons born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens.’ That means ‘subject to the complete jurisdiction thereof.’ What do we mean by ‘complete jurisdiction thereof? Not owing allegiance to anybody else. That is what it means."

Congressional Record:
http://memory.loc.gov/ll/llcg/073/0000/00152893.tif

Trumbull's role in drafting and introducing the Civil Rights Act of 1866 and the 14th Amendment:
https://web.archive.org/web/20100304...about/history/

Children born in the U.S. to a foreign citizen parent whose country has jus sanguinis (right of blood) citizenship law were never supposed to be born U.S. citizens. They may choose to naturalize as a U.S. citizen at some point, but they were never intended to be U.S. citizens at birth. Only those ignorant of historical fact and the Congressional Record misinterpret the 14th Amendment to mean anything else

2) Article XXV Section 1992 of the 1877 Revised Statutes, enacted after the 14th Amendment, which clarified exactly who are U.S. citizens at birth per the Constitution:

"All persons born in the United States and not subject to any foreign power, excluding Indians not taxed, are declared to be citizens of the United States".

Revised Statutes of the United States, Passed at the First Session of the ... - United States

3) U.S. Secretaries of State determinations as to exactly who has birthright citizenship:

Secretary of State Frederick Frelinghuysen determined Ludwig Hausding, though born in the U.S., was not born a U.S. citizen because he was subject to a foreign power at birth having been born to a Saxon subject alien father.

Similarly, Secretary of State Thomas Bayard determined Richard Greisser, though born in Ohio, was not born a U.S. citizen because Greisser's father, too, was an alien, a German subject at the time of Greisser's birth. Bayard specifically stated that Greisser was at birth 'subject to a foreign power,' therefore not "subject to the jurisdiction of the United States" within the meaning of the Fourteenth Amendment.

Both cases cited in this digest:
A Digest of the International Law of the United States: Taken from Documents ... - Google Books

4) Their parents were NOT in the U.S. legally and therefore did NOT have a permanent domicile and residence in the U.S. as did Wong Kim Ark's, a fact on which SCOTUS based their determination that WKA was born a U.S. citizen:

WKA decision:

"The evident intention, and the necessary effect, of the submission of this case to the decision of the court upon the facts agreed by the parties were to present for determination the single question stated at the beginning of this opinion, namely, whether a child born in the United States, of parent of Chinese descent, who, at the time of his birth, are subjects of the Emperor of China, but have a permanent domicil and residence in the United States, and are there carrying on business, and are not employed in any diplomatic or official capacity under the Emperor of China, becomes at the time of his birth a citizen of the United States. For the reasons above stated, this court is of opinion that the question must be answered in the affirmative."

The parents must have a permanent domicile and residence in the U.S. WKA's parents were in the U.S. legally. Illegal immigrants don't have a permanent domicile in the U.S. because they are in the country illegally. Furthermore, it is a federal offense to harbor an illegal alien in the U.S., or aid or abet in their harboring in the U.S. Illegal aliens' permanent domicile is in their home country; the country which would issue their passports were they to have one.
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Old 11-20-2014, 02:51 PM
 
Location: USA
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Obama is just following part of the master plan which to dilute the American voter base with uneducated people so the Libs can stay in power indefinitely.
Well, they will be in charge of a 3rd world country, so I hope they will have fun it
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Old 11-20-2014, 02:59 PM
 
Location: USA
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Obama is just following part of the master plan which to dilute the American voter base with uneducated people so the Libs can stay in power indefinitely.
Not all are uneducated and poor: In addition to the Welfare types, Hollywood supported him, many musicians, many millenials, most college proffessors, most teachers, most educated blacks, Most Jews, most gays, and most Muslims. Of course these are such a monolithic group..
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