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Old 11-20-2014, 02:36 PM
 
Location: San Jose
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This Poll is closer to the general public: 92% against

Should Obama be allowed to force through amnesty?
I think you're giving too much credit to the public. There's a lot of stupid people out there. Thank goodness more of them don't vote.

 
Old 11-20-2014, 02:42 PM
 
Location: Southeast, where else?
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Obama is about to force yet another a hugely unpopular measure on the American people. 5 million jobs taken away from American citizens, and 5 million future voters for his party. Is there any way to stop this insanity?

And 50% of the 38% are illegal Hispanics....definitely let's ask them what they want....shocking....
 
Old 11-20-2014, 02:43 PM
 
Location: USA
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I think you're giving too much credit to the public. There's a lot of stupid people out there. Thank goodness more of them don't vote.
Your right there are, and thats how we ended up with guy we are stuck with now.


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Obama is about to force yet another a hugely unpopular measure on the American people. 5 million jobs taken away from American citizens, and 5 million future voters for his party. Is there any way to stop this insanity?
No. We are going down the tubes. Well, most of you are. I have put enough away to retire early.
 
Old 11-20-2014, 03:02 PM
 
Location: Swiftwater, PA
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The kicker is that young Blacks in our Country are the ones getting kicked in the teeth: Black Leaders Open Fire on Obama Over Unemployment - Donald Lambro - Page full. While our President is catering to Hispanics; his own race has suffered. Maybe he is just looking out for his retirement and plans on a great future living abroad?

Does anybody find it strange that he decided to grant this amnesty during the Latin Grammy Awards: POLITICO Playbook - POLITICO.com? Does anybody find it strange that our broadcast networks will not carry his speech?
 
Old 11-20-2014, 03:19 PM
 
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Just to clarify though, 38% oppose an executive order vs a legislative solution. That's how this particular poll was worded. In reality, over 50% of Americans support providing some illegal immigrants a path to a legal status. I'm included in this group. These immigrants are already here, we can't realistically change that. But a good legislative solution is needed to avoid finding ourselves here, again, in 20 years. Not this haphazardly-put-together bipartisan immigration bill, and the imminent executive order that's based on it.
So because they are here already and managed to evade the law the longest they should a pass on justice? We can change that by removing the incentives to remain here. They will self-deport.

I think it is a priviledge to serve in our military and only ciitzens and immigrants that came here legally should be allowed to serve in our military.

Anything that allows illegal aliens to remain in our country without going back to their own country and starting the legal process this is indeed amnesty! Our government can't even seem to monitor visa over stayers does anyone actually think they will monitor any fines, back taxes, learning English, etc. for million of illegal aliens? Go home and do it the right way. Fines, etc. is still amnesty. We don't need these people here anyway. We need the jobs they are holding and that would be negating our annual quotas for legal immigration to let them stay here.

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Old 11-20-2014, 03:31 PM
 
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We could never force them to serve. It would be very evident that we treat them better than we treat our own veterans! I am surprised that our military, that is fighting for our way of life half way around the world; is not walking off the job. Why fight for a Country that simply opens it's border to criminals?
...And treats them better, no? I have to agree with you. I don't get that, either.

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I just hope that our Congress or Justice Department comes forward and places restraints on executive action.
What everyone seems to be ignoring is that any EO legalizing illegals is a violation of federal law. Harboring illegal aliens, or aiding or abetting their harboring in the U.S. is a federal offense.

8 U.S. Code § 1324 - Bringing in and harboring certain aliens | LII / Legal Information Institute

If Obama legalizes them in any way via an EO, he's violating federal law and committing a federal offense.
 
Old 11-20-2014, 03:32 PM
 
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You are misusing the term amnesty and you know it. Paying fines, back taxes, and getting in line for legal immigration is not amnesty. Polls show people are not in favor of just letting them become citizens without those requirements. They do not support amnesty. On the other hand, every recent scientific poll taken on the subject shows a strong majority favoring addressing the illegal problem through earned citizenship - fines, back taxes, security checks, and a degree of English proficiency. Again, that is NOT amnesty.
And you can put lipstick on a pig and it is still a pig.

Anything that allows illegals to stay here is, indeed, amnesty. None of them should be given any opportunity to stay here. They all need to be sent packing.

And who is going to enforce these ridiculous rules that you are so fond of? Who is going to go after those who refuse to "pay fines and back taxes"? How do you know what they owe in "back taxes"? They can lie about all those years they were paid under the table or used someone else's SSN. How can you do "security checks" on someone who uses a fake name, has no birth certificate or passport?

English proficiency? Gimme a break! They refuse to learn English and aren't about to start now---especially when bleeding hearts insist on bilingual signage everywhere you go.

Do you really think the polls you quote didn't phrase the questions to get the answers they wanted? You know, something like this --- Do you think we should give illegal aliens a path to citizenship or should we kick in doors and round them up? Or the questions start with an out and out lie "It will cost 3 trillion dollars to round up and deport illegals but if we give them a path to citizenship, it will cost 2 trillion. Do you support giving amnesty to illegals?" Well...gee...first of all, there is no need to round them up. Make E-verify the law of the land. Tweak it so it picks up things like illegals naming their anchor baby after themselves and then using said child's SSN. Once it's tweaked, run everybody in the work force through it to weed out those 8 million no-match SSNs. Make it tough for illegals to access any freebies. Do something about the whole anchor baby/birth tourism fiasco. If illegals can't find work or access freebies, they will leave on their own accord. Would you stay someplace if you couldn't find work or get freebies?
 
Old 11-20-2014, 05:56 PM
 
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You are misusing the term amnesty and you know it. Paying fines, back taxes, and getting in line for legal immigration is not amnesty. Polls show people are not in favor of just letting them become citizens without those requirements. They do not support amnesty. On the other hand, every recent scientific poll taken on the subject shows a strong majority favoring addressing the illegal problem through earned citizenship - fines, back taxes, security checks, and a degree of English proficiency. Again, that is NOT amnesty.
It doesn't matter. Chase illegal aliens OUT of the US; then it's on them to apply to come back legally. Otherwise it needs to be jail for ANY illegal picked up by the cops.
 
Old 11-20-2014, 05:59 PM
 
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It's just that it's taken until now to reach the tipping point.
Agreed and word is it when those "kids" from deeper in LatAm started showing up here a few months ago; people REALLY started getting pissed, even some of the "amnesty" fans said this went too far and they def said it's time to start deporting on sight.
 
Old 11-20-2014, 06:06 PM
 
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I just wander if he is going to require healthcare insurance or if like always they are allowed to go to ER; hospital is required to treat and insured citizens end up pay the bill thru higher hospital cost to make up and then insurance goes up for those actually buying it. If so then they have exemption from mandated coverage; which citizens pay a fine for not having.
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