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Old 12-11-2014, 10:54 AM
 
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Well, increasing the number of workers in a particular field will depress wages in that field, it is a basic supply and demand effect. In a simplistic view it is bad for all the workers and good for the hiring companies. Any worker want to be perceived as the most valuable to demand higher salaries, so if they are scarce they can demand more until a limit where the profit would cease. The executives want to maximize the profit margin to increase their own compensation and the stocks.

In addition, the salary for a foreign worker must to be lower so the company can recoup the money spent with lawyers and legal fees (not to mention the hassle of going through the bureaucratic process). On a side effect the foreign workers have a harder time changing to different job, since the visas are tied to the sponsoring company creating a forced loyalty. This is also beneficial to the employer which can withhold the increase in compensation below the market rate.
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Old 12-12-2014, 11:21 PM
 
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And somebody from an Indian diploma mill is competent?
I would imagine that they are not competent. But neither are people from thousands of diploma mills in the U.S. The companies I referred to aren't hiring people from Indian Diploma Mills or even U.S. Diploma Mills like ASU. They are hiring people from top universities around the world... mostly from the U.S.
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Old 12-13-2014, 05:56 AM
 
Location: N Atlanta
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I would imagine that they are not competent. But neither are people from thousands of diploma mills in the U.S. The companies I referred to aren't hiring people from Indian Diploma Mills or even U.S. Diploma Mills like ASU. They are hiring people from top universities around the world... mostly from the U.S.
Difference is most folks from U.S. diploma mills are citizens and should be hired before any preference is given to foreigners. End of story ...
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Old 12-13-2014, 05:59 AM
 
Location: N Atlanta
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Clearly you don't know how Visa applications work. The rate on the application is what the individual is paid. If there is a margin in the billing rate (which would only exist for consultants), that's on top of what is on the visa application.

I agree that they shouldn't be here in the first place. We should learn to produce competent people ourselves. But until we do, it's in our best interest to make sure with have enough talent here to be innovative.
Clearly, you have no real-time experience in the matter. Many Indian consultants are not getting paid what is on the visa app. They are getting gouged by Indian agencies representing them. Fraud is rampant but the government is quick to cover it up with the blanket of Indian corporate campaign contributions and lobbyist BS.
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Old 12-14-2014, 02:05 AM
 
Location: West Los Angeles
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I would imagine that they are not competent. But neither are people from thousands of diploma mills in the U.S. The companies I referred to aren't hiring people from Indian Diploma Mills or even U.S. Diploma Mills like ASU. They are hiring people from top universities around the world... mostly from the U.S.
Ten years ago it was the case that qualified Americans were not being hired in lieu of Indian nationals with disingenuous resumes. In other cases, Americans already employed were being fired and replaced with low cost Indian nationals.

Whatever the case today, Americans have been displaced from jobs here in the U.S., due initially to Harris Miller's H-1B visa sham.
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Old 12-14-2014, 11:46 PM
 
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Clearly, you have no real-time experience in the matter. Many Indian consultants are not getting paid what is on the visa app. They are getting gouged by Indian agencies representing them. Fraud is rampant but the government is quick to cover it up with the blanket of Indian corporate campaign contributions and lobbyist BS.
This is just more proof that you have no idea how Visa applications work. You also have no idea how employment in the U.S. works according to this post. Rather than making stuff up, why don't you get educated on the subject?
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Old 12-15-2014, 01:19 AM
 
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Difference is most folks from U.S. diploma mills are citizens and should be hired before any preference is given to foreigners. End of story ...
Yes. Folks from U.S. diploma mills should be given preference over foreigners from diploma mills. But that's not what we're talking about here. Intel isn't hiring people from diploma mills, period.
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Old 12-15-2014, 01:21 AM
 
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This is just more proof that you have no idea how Visa applications work. You also have no idea how employment in the U.S. works according to this post. Rather than making stuff up, why don't you get educated on the subject?
Yea. I was kind of thinking the same thing. leftee doesn't seem to know what she is talking about. When Intel submits a Visa application, it's for an employee. Not a consultant. The rates on the visa application must match the W2. I don't understand why people don't care to do a little research before they make themselves look foolish.
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Old 12-15-2014, 09:38 AM
 
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This is just more proof that you have no idea how Visa applications work. You also have no idea how employment in the U.S. works according to this post. Rather than making stuff up, why don't you get educated on the subject?
I'm talking H-1B consultants who were brought in as employees of larger Indian firms.

I worked for Big 4 accounting firm as a project manager with 20 H-1B Indian contractors. They were considered contractors to the Big 4 firm, but employees of the Indian firms who held their visa. Many of them bitched daily about how much less they made versus what they were promised on the H-1B visa application. If you don't think that Indian firms are gouging their H-1B employees, you need to stop playing keyboard jockey and go get some real life experience.

Bottom line, they all need to GTFO until all Americans who want tech positions are employed.
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Old 12-15-2014, 09:40 AM
 
Location: N Atlanta
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Yes. Folks from U.S. diploma mills should be given preference over foreigners from diploma mills. But that's not what we're talking about here. Intel isn't hiring people from diploma mills, period.
Really ? There are no Indian diploma mill graduates working in U.S. "Intel" as employees of Indian firms ?
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