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Old 11-21-2014, 08:26 AM
 
Location: Floribama
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Obama's plan is for people that have been here longer than 5 years.

I can guarantee you that the illegals that stream in next month will magically have folded, slightly dirty copies of rent receipts dated more than 5 years ago.

This is open season for anyone to come in and claim they've been here all along.
This is exactly what I'm wondering about. There's no way most of these people have proof they've been here 5 years. I'm guessing the government will pretty much just take their word for it.
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Old 11-21-2014, 08:38 AM
 
Location: USA
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You're delusional, what makes you think they or their employers are going to follow the laws now?

If anything they will now compete for jobs with real Americans and legal immigrants while these dirtbag employers will just hire the next crop of illegals.
That is correct. They are now legally here, competeing against mostly poor Americans, already legal immigrants, and the next bunch of illegals to violate our borders.
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Old 11-21-2014, 09:10 AM
 
Location: OCEAN BREEZES AND VIEWS SAN CLEMENTE
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That is correct. They are now legally here, competeing against mostly poor Americans, already legal immigrants, and the next bunch of illegals to violate our borders.


Ironic isn't it, but sad at the same time. Just wait, now the fun begins!
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Old 11-21-2014, 09:21 AM
 
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Ironic isn't it, but sad at the same time. Just wait, now the fun begins!
Yep... Leading up to the 2016 presidential election, Obama's EO will flood our already stretched too thin public assistance and refundable tax credit programs to unsustainable proportions.

My prediction... things are going to get very ugly for the government-dependent class in the next 2 years leading up to November 2016. There isn't enough $$$ to pay them all off.
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Old 11-21-2014, 09:25 AM
 
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As per Boss Obama's order, illegal immigrants will be given SS#'s but won't be citizens?

This is just weird. (in addition to being wrong on so many levels).
My X husband has a SS number.

He is a legal resident alien.
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Old 11-21-2014, 09:30 AM
 
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My X husband has a SS number.

He is a legal resident alien.
These illegal aliens will not be legal though. They will remain here illegally but with a stay of deportation just like Obama did with the DACA beneficeries.
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Old 11-21-2014, 09:39 AM
 
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These illegal aliens will not be legal though. They will remain here illegally but with a stay of deportation just like Obama did with the DACA beneficeries.
The whole thing is odd.

They have to PROVE they broke a law to benefit.
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Old 11-21-2014, 09:57 AM
 
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The whole thing is odd.

They have to PROVE they broke a law to benefit.
The whole thing is illegal. It's a federal offense to harbor, or aid or abet the harboring of illegal aliens in the U.S.

8 U.S. Code 1324 - Bringing in and harboring certain aliens | LII / Legal Information Institute

The U.S. President does not have the authority to issue an EO that violates federal law.

His DACA EO is illegal, as well.
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Old 11-21-2014, 10:20 AM
 
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As per Boss Obama's order, illegal immigrants will be given SS#'s but won't be citizens?

This is just weird. (in addition to being wrong on so many levels).
Perfectly normal. I have a SS# and am not a citizen.
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Old 11-21-2014, 10:21 AM
 
Location: Great Falls, VA
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There are so many things wrong with this approach to immigration reform that it just makes me depressed. And this is coming from someone who believes legalizing some illegal immigrants is necessary (with a good and truly comprehensive immigration reform, which nobody has been able to put together).

#1: In order to get a permit they need to pay any back taxes they owe
#2: By getting a SSN, they will be required to pay taxes

Both are false. The money they've been earning has been undeclared cash. What back taxes are they going to pay? How is anyone going to be able to prove they earned more than $0? And are we supposed to believe this practice will stop just because they have a SSN?

This "but they have to pay back taxes" thing is just meant to quell the anger of Americans that oppose free amnesty.

Furthermore, by allowing illegal immigrants to obtain work permits without a path to a green card, they are not actually addressing anything.

#1: Many illegal immigrants won't even try to get the work permits because they won't want to be on a government list. Why would they? They don't have the protection of a green card in case the next President revokes those permits, they certainly don't want to be on any USCIS list. On the other hand, now they are protected from deportation.

So essentially: no back taxes will be paid, they will continue earning their living like they have for many years by getting paid with undeclared cash, they won't come from out of the shadows because there is no path to a green card, the concept of an "anchor baby" is no longer a myth like it used to be (in the past, having an American baby didn't really give you any protection from deportation, now it does...the cutoff date is 2007, but that will likely move, just like the cutoff date for DACA was just moved).

So what long-term benefit did this immigration reform achieve? Nothing, absolutely nothing. The country's immigration mess just got more convoluted.
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