U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Happy Easter!
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies > Illegal Immigration
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 11-21-2014, 05:51 PM
 
31,543 posts, read 14,580,770 times
Reputation: 8401

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by southernnaturelover View Post
This is exactly what I'm wondering about. There's no way most of these people have proof they've been here 5 years. I'm guessing the government will pretty much just take their word for it.
Not only that but what is all this investigating going to cost us in tax dollars? It will be a paper trail nightmare.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 11-21-2014, 05:55 PM
 
31,543 posts, read 14,580,770 times
Reputation: 8401
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hesky View Post
There are so many things wrong with this approach to immigration reform that it just makes me depressed. And this is coming from someone who believes legalizing some illegal immigrants is necessary (with a good and truly comprehensive immigration reform, which nobody has been able to put together).

#1: In order to get a permit they need to pay any back taxes they owe
#2: By getting a SSN, they will be required to pay taxes

Both are false. The money they've been earning has been undeclared cash. What back taxes are they going to pay? How is anyone going to be able to prove they earned more than $0? And are we supposed to believe this practice will stop just because they have a SSN?

This "but they have to pay back taxes" thing is just meant to quell the anger of Americans that oppose free amnesty.

Furthermore, by allowing illegal immigrants to obtain work permits without a path to a green card, they are not actually addressing anything.

#1: Many illegal immigrants won't even try to get the work permits because they won't want to be on a government list. Why would they? They don't have the protection of a green card in case the next President revokes those permits, they certainly don't want to be on any USCIS list. On the other hand, now they are protected from deportation.

So essentially: no back taxes will be paid, they will continue earning their living like they have for many years by getting paid with undeclared cash, they won't come from out of the shadows because there is no path to a green card, the concept of an "anchor baby" is no longer a myth like it used to be (in the past, having an American baby didn't really give you any protection from deportation, now it does...the cutoff date is 2007, but that will likely move, just like the cutoff date for DACA was just moved).

So what long-term benefit did this immigration reform achieve? Nothing, absolutely nothing. The country's immigration mess just got more convoluted.
Most of them are low wage earners who will not be liable for any income taxes anyway. What they pay in they will just get back in the form of a refund. Those who have dependents will get in on the tax credit and many times that means getting back more than they paid into the system.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 11-21-2014, 07:04 PM
 
18,288 posts, read 11,673,706 times
Reputation: 11931
Quote:
Originally Posted by Texas Minded View Post
As per Boss Obama's order, illegal immigrants will be given SS#'s but won't be citizens?

This is just weird. (in addition to being wrong on so many levels).
Surprisingly yes, SSN's are issued to non-citizens of the USA

Anyone who arrives on any number of employer, student, and other legal but non-immigration visas is issued a SSN. Regardless of citizenship status anyone employed in the USA is liable for payroll and income taxes. Have friends from France who came to the USA for a few years after college to work and then went back home. All have SSNs and paid various taxes during their time.

There is also a special type of SSN which is different used by students IIRC and or those whom do *NOT* have the right to work in the USA. Cannot remember all the details but it is coded to show that no income is supposed to be attached to the number. This was created IIRC because banks, colleges/universities and others use SSNs as defacto identity numbers.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 11-22-2014, 01:37 AM
 
Location: too far from the sea
18,011 posts, read 17,159,915 times
Reputation: 30157
Anyone who has come through the system legally can have a SS#, whether they came on a marriage visa, a work visa.

If these illegals are going to remain here and be documented, why can't they also initiate the process of becoming legal permanent residents? Pay the fees, provide the birth certificate, get the medical test and vaccinations that are required of legal immigrants. Become full fledged human beings with some dignity, members of society rather than in the shadows.

Give them a certain number of years to fulfill the legal permanent resident requirements, otherwise they go back where they came from. Is there some way that they will be able to do this? I mean, what happens next?
__________________
my posts as moderator will be in red. Moderator: Health&Wellness~Genealogy. The Rules--read here>>> TOS. If someone attacks you, do not reply. Hit REPORT.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 11-22-2014, 02:32 AM
 
Location: Dallas, Texas
8,858 posts, read 10,318,535 times
Reputation: 9268
Quote:
Originally Posted by HappyTexan View Post
We have numbers for immigrants that are not citizens that are used to pay taxes (IITN)

SS numbers used to be just for citizens.

Now they won't be able to tell anyone apart.
Yes. I think many people who aren't "from the great state of Texas" and other places with lots of these people (who are not citizens but do reside here and pay taxes) aren't aware of that. Some live in a bit of a limbo. My husband was trying to help a couple buy a house (they were IITN) and he asked why, if they were planning to stay, they didn't apply for citizenship. They just didn't think about it. SS numbers should only be for citizens.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 11-22-2014, 03:54 AM
 
1,701 posts, read 883,664 times
Reputation: 710

Are they taking reservations?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 11-22-2014, 04:04 AM
 
1,701 posts, read 883,664 times
Reputation: 710
Quote:
Originally Posted by bobtn View Post
antarez, The SS # will make them obey the law. They are not invisible with it. It also will mean natives will not be more expensive to employers simply due to taxation.

Youe employer's FEIN (Federal employer ID) is analigious to an individual's SS #. keeps government up to date with monitoring tax payments.

Ca-ching.
Obey the law? exactly what laws do they have to follow? every time they break a law they get a free get out of jail card printed by the Obama administration.

What it will do is, if they get a path to citizenship, which they haven't, they will be forced to pay taxes in order to prove that they were working AND paying taxes.

Highly unlikely they will round up the 6-7 million illegals that would be deported and they will remain illegal and take jobs from those that will be getting a reprieve. And when they can't find jobs who are they going to complain to? What will they complain about? "Illegals are taking our jobs"?? LOL

Karma is a b****.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 11-22-2014, 04:11 AM
 
1,701 posts, read 883,664 times
Reputation: 710
Quote:
Originally Posted by wehotex View Post
I'd guess that they'd qualify for "earned" income tax credit and child refunds too?
They have been claiming child tax credit for years and bilking the US out of billions every year. They get away with it because of a tax loophole that government doesn't seem to want to close. They can claim 5 kids in their country, no proof required, and the three in the US. I doubt any illegal gets audited. It's only those American tax cheats that the IRS hunts down.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 11-22-2014, 04:14 AM
 
1,701 posts, read 883,664 times
Reputation: 710
Quote:
Originally Posted by california-jewel View Post
That is exactly what is going to happen, we know it is, not hard to figure out. Glad a lot of us know the scope of what a friggin mess this is going to be.

The job situation for Americans has just gotten worse. Thank Your President.
Not so fast. Those who are getting a reprieve and an SS# will be competing with those that should have been deported. Highly unlikely 6-7 million will be sent back. Those with the SS# will want fair wages while those that should be deported and slip back into the shadows will work for less. They will start eating each other.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 11-22-2014, 04:23 AM
 
1,701 posts, read 883,664 times
Reputation: 710
Quote:
Originally Posted by theunbrainwashed View Post
You can't get access to most welfare programs without being a citizen. Permanent residents get some, like food stamps and probably Medicaid, but not the others.



You don't need to be a citizen to have a SS#. Never did. When we were looking for my wife to immigrate here, she would be able to apply for a SS# as soon as she got work authorization, not citizenship. Obama can't just hand out citizenship to illegals, that takes an Act of Congress, but he can defer deportation or give green cards. A lot of immigration law is administrative law, not statutory law.
Obama cannot "give" green cards. There is just so far he can go, and he cannot throw out the legal process to obtain a green card.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:

Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies > Illegal Immigration
Similar Threads
Follow City-Data.com founder on our Forum or

All times are GMT -6.

2005-2018, Advameg, Inc.

City-Data.com - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35 - Top