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Old 11-22-2014, 05:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Skylock View Post
I think Obama did the right decision. The Republicans have refused to solve the growth of undocumented immigrants living in United States. It is obvious that the Republican Party see no problem with illegal immigration as they have never act to do something about it. In fact, Republicans are even more pro immigration than Democrats. The Obama plan is actually very sensitive. The current Obama-plan includes;

1. If you have to been into United States for longer than five years or you if have to have a child or other close relative with an American Citizenship you will be able to apply for a three year long temporary work-permit.

2. If you have been convicted for a crime you will not be able to seek the temporary work-permit.

3. If you are given a temporary work-permit you have to pay taxes and you are not available for certain welfare-services which are given to citizens.

I cannot see that these demands are unreasonable. Obama refuse to deport illegal immigrants because he sees it as morally wrong. What he basically is saying is that he will not enforce the law nor will he want to see a change in the current laws because he is not advocating free immigration. So long you have borders you have citizens, legal immigrants and illegal immigrants. I do have a problem with Obama in the sense that he will not enforce written law and deport those 11-12 million illegal immigrants because when you don’t enforce the law it is nothing more than a piece of paper and people will not act upon it. It is one of the reasons why the US sees such high growth of illegal immigrants. Once again, I think the Obama plan is better than nothing and because the Republicans is clearly have no intrest in the issue and they are obliviously only play the game of politics because they have no plan what so ever just as George W. Bush. Obama’s executive order is what I can see within the so called DREAM act.

DREAM Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Frankly, Republicans are only angry because they voters require them to be angry. It is just a game so they can be reelected and their threats are just empty and as hollow as everything else Republicans done since Abraham Lincoln. It is not Obama who is a “lame duck” but it is the Republican Party (GOP) which slowly dying off. More and more people understand that Republicans is a Plutocratic institution which also shared with the Donkey. They care nothing for poor Americans who fear their salaries being dumped by immigrants nor do they understand that their policies are creating poverty in third world countries including Mexico. The Republican Party is at most concerned about votes and that homosexuals are not allowed to marry and rape-victims have an abortion. There is no chance that you will see beltway Republicans listen to congressman Steve King, Senator Ted Cruz or why not libertarian Senator Rand Paul when it come to immigration. Personally, I think president Obama did the right thing and we should be happy having a president who is actually doing something instead of these Republicans who just want to be reelected.
You forgot to mention that they will have to pay back taxes. How does that work if you worked off the books and an employer who paid them in cash won't confirm that they worked for them. To confirm their employment would be an admission that the employer didn't pay taxes.

I also think that every illegal who has an anchor baby should be made to pay the hospital bills for each child and any other bills that can be proven for which the taxpayer was stuck with. Some hospitals had to shut down because their funds were exhausted by illegals getting free medical care.

The question is: since they don't have access to Obamacare will they continue to use hospitals for medical treatment and pay the bills, or will the taxpayer still be stuck paying their bills?
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Old 11-22-2014, 05:44 AM
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Originally Posted by in_newengland View Post
Anyone who has come through the system legally can have a SS#, whether they came on a marriage visa, a work visa.

If these illegals are going to remain here and be documented, why can't they also initiate the process of becoming legal permanent residents? Pay the fees, provide the birth certificate, get the medical test and vaccinations that are required of legal immigrants. Become full fledged human beings with some dignity, members of society rather than in the shadows.

Give them a certain number of years to fulfill the legal permanent resident requirements, otherwise they go back where they came from. Is there some way that they will be able to do this? I mean, what happens next?
Lawbreakers don't deserve any dignity. They only deserve justice. These illegal aliens aren't facing justice they are getting a pass on it at the expense of our own citizen's rights. All lawbreakers are humans but what has that to do with anything? They aren't members of our society. We didn't invite them here. They need to go back to their homelands and start the legal process there. It doesn't start on our soil by skipping that process and coming here illegally.
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Old 11-22-2014, 05:13 PM
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In all the warm and fuzzy arguments expressed by supporters of “undocumented immigrants,” there is something rarely touched upon:
Americans have the RIGHT to be here.
Invaders have no RIGHT to be here.
If you will indulge me, here is an analogy:

You have a house and land, posted : “Private property, no trespassing.” You come to find burglars living in your house, and abusing it. They’ve eaten all your stored food. They’ve sent their children to your public schools at your expense. They even get medical care at your expense. They don’t speak your language, don’t know your customs, nor respect your property rights. And they exclude you from using your house and property that you paid for!

Do you shrug and say, “WELCOME!”
Or do you do something that deters them - perhaps permanently?

For if they are not deterred, what will stop others from mimicking them?
And when you, your children and your neighbors become strangers in your own land, then what?

BioWar is simple. They intend that their descendants inherit YOUR lands and country.

Socialist Serfs need not concern themselves - they have no rights to pass to their progeny. They are wards of the Socialist State. Please ignore this.
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