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Old 11-26-2014, 01:39 PM
 
Location: WY
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I understand what you are saying and I at least partially agree with you. But in the meantime before 2016 the American worker will be hurt by this. I think the GOP needs to fight this so that Americans know they are fighting for the American worker and the rule of law. This will speak well for them in 2016. Otherwise it just makes them look complacent in all of this and weak.
I know they'll be hurt. It breaks my heart to think about it because I know so many good and decent people who are struggling every day to hold their lives together. They're fighting every day just to hold onto their jobs, pay their bills, have hope.........

I still think that the best thing the GOP can do is express anger and outrage, and constantly make the public aware of how EXACTLY this bill is impacting their daily lives. I could be way wrong on that. I don't know. It's all above my pay grade as the saying goes. I'm just some random person watching bad policies get compounded by more bad policies. But I worry about the GOP getting caught up like a fish in a net in endless arguments that last for months or years, all played out in the media. And then I worry that while they're fighting, they take their eyes off the prize, which is 2016. They have 2 years to get it right, and in the grand scheme of a presidential election that isn't a lot of time.

They're not going to win if they fight it. At least not between now and 2016. It will eat up too much time, too much money, too much strategic planning, and there would be too many "angry white male conservative sound bites". Too much money. Too much time. Too much focus away from the election. Obama WANTS the GOP to overplay their hand. It ain't about poor illegals looking for a better life. It's about the future of politics in this country.

Don't have the answer Oldglory. Like I said, just some random citizen trying to pay my own bills and have hope for the future. Hopefully the people who are supposed to be smarter than I am have the answer..........
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Old 11-26-2014, 02:05 PM
 
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I know they'll be hurt. It breaks my heart to think about it because I know so many good and decent people who are struggling every day to hold their lives together. They're fighting every day just to hold onto their jobs, pay their bills, have hope.........

I still think that the best thing the GOP can do is express anger and outrage, and constantly make the public aware of how EXACTLY this bill is impacting their daily lives. I could be way wrong on that. I don't know. It's all above my pay grade as the saying goes. I'm just some random person watching bad policies get compounded by more bad policies. But I worry about the GOP getting caught up like a fish in a net in endless arguments that last for months or years, all played out in the media. And then I worry that while they're fighting, they take their eyes off the prize, which is 2016. They have 2 years to get it right, and in the grand scheme of a presidential election that isn't a lot of time.

They're not going to win if they fight it. At least not between now and 2016. It will eat up too much time, too much money, too much strategic planning, and there would be too many "angry white male conservative sound bites". Too much money. Too much time. Too much focus away from the election. Obama WANTS the GOP to overplay their hand. It ain't about poor illegals looking for a better life. It's about the future of politics in this country.

Don't have the answer Oldglory. Like I said, just some random citizen trying to pay my own bills and have hope for the future. Hopefully the people who are supposed to be smarter than I am have the answer..........
Agreed and HOW!

I'm 1 of those people who's on the edge and, getting ready to go over.
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Old 11-26-2014, 02:10 PM
 
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Theoretically, Obama's immigration EOs should be nullified because by issuing both, Obama himself has committed federal offenses.

However, it is tempting to let the EOs stand and let that exact same demographic (no/low-income) suffer the consequences for two years of Obama's illegal actions. Might make them rethink their continued unthinking knee-jerk votes for Democrats.
It's a smart move at least for now. Obama who will most certainly veto anything to stop it so let Dems suffer the consequences.
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Old 11-26-2014, 03:45 PM
 
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I know they'll be hurt. It breaks my heart to think about it because I know so many good and decent people who are struggling every day to hold their lives together. They're fighting every day just to hold onto their jobs, pay their bills, have hope.........

I still think that the best thing the GOP can do is express anger and outrage, and constantly make the public aware of how EXACTLY this bill is impacting their daily lives. I could be way wrong on that. I don't know. It's all above my pay grade as the saying goes. I'm just some random person watching bad policies get compounded by more bad policies. But I worry about the GOP getting caught up like a fish in a net in endless arguments that last for months or years, all played out in the media. And then I worry that while they're fighting, they take their eyes off the prize, which is 2016. They have 2 years to get it right, and in the grand scheme of a presidential election that isn't a lot of time.

They're not going to win if they fight it. At least not between now and 2016. It will eat up too much time, too much money, too much strategic planning, and there would be too many "angry white male conservative sound bites". Too much money. Too much time. Too much focus away from the election. Obama WANTS the GOP to overplay their hand. It ain't about poor illegals looking for a better life. It's about the future of politics in this country.

Don't have the answer Oldglory. Like I said, just some random citizen trying to pay my own bills and have hope for the future. Hopefully the people who are supposed to be smarter than I am have the answer..........
IMO, the GOP can do both. They can fight and try to undo what Obama has done and also focus on the next election. I think them showing strength by fighting will gain them the respect and support of more voters rather than by curing up in a corner like wimps. I may be wrong also. As for me, if they don't fight this I will be very disappointed in them. So I guess I am going by how I view it.
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