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Old 11-26-2014, 09:48 AM
 
Location: The land where cats rule
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Hey; why not give businesses $3,000 to hire any of these new illegal workers: Obama amnesty, Obamacare clash: Businesses have $3,000 incentive to hire illegals - Washington Times! You really didn't want a job anyway!
And there is just one more slap in the face of citizens and a demonstration of upcoming cost of Obamas dream. Pay some to hire illegals, penalize those that already do hire illegals and screw everyone. Quite a plan.
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Old 11-26-2014, 10:52 AM
 
Location: WY
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And there is just one more slap in the face of citizens and a demonstration of upcoming cost of Obamas dream. Pay some to hire illegals, penalize those that already do hire illegals and screw everyone. Quite a plan.
There IS no plan. This administration is making stuff up as they go along.

Where is the research done by this administration on the immediate and long term effects of this new EO? Who conducted that research? Where are the declarations of who had input on this new EO, the dates of the meetings of those involved in the decision making process, the analysis of the social and financial pros and cons of such a move to the US economy? Where is the analysis of how this new EO would impact other new policies (such as Obamacare)? Where is the plan in place to reimburse states that see surges in new illegals, and the financial burden those surges place on state coffers re: education, health care, social services, law enforcement costs? Where is there even DISCUSSION of how this move impacts individual states?

Question: Where?
Answer: Nowhere.

Those who defend this EO saying that it is humane, will be good for the economy etc. etc. forget a few things:

1. Unless someone can prove me wrong (and that's OK if they can - I would rather be proven wrong than be proven correct) this EO was thrown out there without adequate analysis or input as the short and long term effects to the American economy

2. The process MATTERS. In a Democratic Republic a president is not (supposed to be) allowed to go it alone. The framers built the constitution as a way to control the amount of power that the president of the United States would have. It was written SPECIFICALLY to constrain. And Obama has circumvented those constraints, and some people are buying into the concept that the ends justify the means.

3. The process MATTERS. To those who defend this EO - today it is about illegals. Tomorrow it will be about something else. And the day after that it will be about something else again. One day down the road it will be about something that matters to YOU. And then you will be sitting back, listening to the president announce a decision about something you don't like, and you'll wonder "How could this happen in the United States of America?"
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Old 11-26-2014, 11:10 AM
 
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There IS no plan. This administration is making stuff up as they go along.

Where is the research done by this administration on the immediate and long term effects of this new EO? Who conducted that research? Where are the declarations of who had input on this new EO, the dates of the meetings of those involved in the decision making process, the analysis of the social and financial pros and cons of such a move to the US economy? Where is the analysis of how this new EO would impact other new policies (such as Obamacare)? Where is the plan in place to reimburse states that see surges in new illegals, and the financial burden those surges place on state coffers re: education, health care, social services, law enforcement costs? Where is there even DISCUSSION of how this move impacts individual states?

Question: Where?
Answer: Nowhere.

Those who defend this EO saying that it is humane, will be good for the economy etc. etc. forget a few things:

1. Unless someone can prove me wrong (and that's OK if they can - I would rather be proven wrong than be proven correct) this EO was thrown out there without adequate analysis or input as the short and long term effects to the American economy

2. The process MATTERS. In a Democratic Republic a president is not (supposed to be) allowed to go it alone. The framers built the constitution as a way to control the amount of power that the president of the United States would have. It was written SPECIFICALLY to constrain. And Obama has circumvented those constraints, and some people are buying into the concept that the ends justify the means.

3. The process MATTERS. To those who defend this EO - today it is about illegals. Tomorrow it will be about something else. And the day after that it will be about something else again. One day down the road it will be about something that matters to YOU. And then you will be sitting back, listening to the president announce a decision about something you don't like, and you'll wonder "How could this happen in the United States of America?"
Excellent post! Thank you.
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Old 11-26-2014, 12:24 PM
 
Location: USA
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Excellent post! Thank you.
Agreed
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Old 11-26-2014, 01:44 PM
 
Location: Swiftwater, PA
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And there is just one more slap in the face of citizens and a demonstration of upcoming cost of Obamas dream. Pay some to hire illegals, penalize those that already do hire illegals and screw everyone. Quite a plan.
Here is some more 'good' news: Jobless Claims in U.S. Increase to Almost Three-Month High! It just keeps coming. I'm glad our President knows what he is doing.
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Old 11-26-2014, 03:29 PM
 
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There IS no plan. This administration is making stuff up as they go along.

Where is the research done by this administration on the immediate and long term effects of this new EO? Who conducted that research? Where are the declarations of who had input on this new EO, the dates of the meetings of those involved in the decision making process, the analysis of the social and financial pros and cons of such a move to the US economy? Where is the analysis of how this new EO would impact other new policies (such as Obamacare)? Where is the plan in place to reimburse states that see surges in new illegals, and the financial burden those surges place on state coffers re: education, health care, social services, law enforcement costs? Where is there even DISCUSSION of how this move impacts individual states?

Question: Where?
Answer: Nowhere.

Those who defend this EO saying that it is humane, will be good for the economy etc. etc. forget a few things:

1. Unless someone can prove me wrong (and that's OK if they can - I would rather be proven wrong than be proven correct) this EO was thrown out there without adequate analysis or input as the short and long term effects to the American economy

2. The process MATTERS. In a Democratic Republic a president is not (supposed to be) allowed to go it alone. The framers built the constitution as a way to control the amount of power that the president of the United States would have. It was written SPECIFICALLY to constrain. And Obama has circumvented those constraints, and some people are buying into the concept that the ends justify the means.

3. The process MATTERS. To those who defend this EO - today it is about illegals. Tomorrow it will be about something else. And the day after that it will be about something else again. One day down the road it will be about something that matters to YOU. And then you will be sitting back, listening to the president announce a decision about something you don't like, and you'll wonder "How could this happen in the United States of America?"
Too bad I can't rep you again.
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Old 11-26-2014, 04:43 PM
 
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Yes, many are. However, Obama has now made it possible for them to continue to work without fear of deportation. Those not working will get work permits. Americans need the jobs they are holding and they don't need further competition from low waged foreigners.
So if Americans need the jobs, why aren't they applying? Why didn't they apply?
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Old 11-26-2014, 05:55 PM
 
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So if Americans need the jobs, why aren't they applying? Why didn't they apply?
How do you know that they didn't apply?
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Old 11-26-2014, 06:12 PM
 
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But I thought the ones he gave temporary amnesty where contributing already? Which is; more people to tax so it can be spent or people already contributing?
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Old 11-26-2014, 07:57 PM
 
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But I thought the ones he gave temporary amnesty where contributing already? Which is; more people to tax so it can be spent or people already contributing?
Many are working under the table so now they can apply for a real job. If Americans were given the jobs back from the illegals that are holding them they in turn would be paying income taxes. Besides, illegal aliens take more out of our tax coffers than they ever pay in.
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