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Old 01-05-2008, 08:06 PM
 
Location: Wilkes-Barre, PA
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1.easy conduit for terrorists entering the USA
2.massive escalation in crime
3.surge in foreign national prisoners to support for years
4.increases Balkanization of US
5.increases multiculturalism/segregation/divisiveness instead of the American melting pot
6.increases desire for Aztlan (reclaiming SW states for Mexico)
7.increasing number of traffic accidents
8.main contributor to surging US population
9.dramatic impact on society and infrastructure, including education
10.destruction of fragile ecosystems in American SW
11.main cause of emergency rooms and hospitals closing as well as service cut backs
12.introduction of third world diseases
13.increased welfare costs
14.massive costs to society – over and above contributions
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Old 01-05-2008, 10:36 PM
 
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These are some and the worst in financial collapse among citizens, especially in CA.
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Old 01-06-2008, 11:51 AM
 
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Very good synopsis, Chefkey, and the perfect recipe for anarchy. And just wonder who will be taking over after our collapse?? Any thoughts??
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Old 01-06-2008, 12:03 PM
 
Location: Wilkes-Barre, PA
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Asians and the Indians are gonna fight over it with the Hispanics while the Euro-Americans watch
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Old 01-06-2008, 12:14 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Asians and the Indians are gonna fight over it with the Hispanics while the Euro-Americans watch
Or; us Gringos (of all races) are going to 'grow a set' and lay down the law!

As it is; there are too few 'recognized' non Hispanic American Indians to make a real difference one way or the other......maybe 3 million, tops.

Asians like Vietnamese, etc. are also a pretty small collective minority with relatively low birthrates.
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Old 01-06-2008, 12:31 PM
 
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Asians like Vietnamese, etc. are also a pretty small collective minority with relatively low birthrates.
Pretty focused, though, and pretty much (as a group) able to see the "big picture". I wouldn't discount them because of their small numbers...

Reminds me of an article I read in the LA Times some years ago. I can't remember who wrote it, but I do recall the guy was Mexican American columnist, and frequently wrote on related issues.

He was praising the wonderful new state-of-the-art library that had just opened in the area...how it had all the 'perks', lots of daylight, and an inviting 'approach' outdoors...and how a large, multi-racial group was taking advantage of this new 'asset to the community'.

He finished the piece by saying there were almost an equally-sized group busily studying at the tables and computer terminals indoors (most with a parent urging them on)..AND another group enjoying the outside, lounging with their friends, wrestling, and skateboarding..

Then, this observer of the 'ethnic specifics' of the LA area (wish I could remember his name) finished up the article by saying. "There's one more observation that I failed to mention. The very large majority of those studying busily indoors were Asian..and the very large majority of the outdoor 'skateboard' crowd were Hispanics"....

He didn't seem too happy about this disparity---but he had the journalistic honesty to point it out---as, I would imagine, a 'challenge' for his own ethnic group to do better.....
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Old 01-06-2008, 01:07 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Pretty focused, though, and pretty much (as a group) able to see the "big picture". I wouldn't discount them because of their small numbers...

Reminds me of an article I read in the LA Times some years ago. I can't remember who wrote it, but I do recall the guy was Mexican American columnist, and frequently wrote on related issues.

He was praising the wonderful new state-of-the-art library that had just opened in the area...how it had all the 'perks', lots of daylight, and an inviting 'approach' outdoors...and how a large, multi-racial group was taking advantage of this new 'asset to the community'.

He finished the piece by saying there were almost an equally-sized group busily studying at the tables and computer terminals indoors (most with a parent urging them on)..AND another group enjoying the outside, lounging with their friends, wrestling, and skateboarding..

Then, this observer of the 'ethnic specifics' of the LA area (wish I could remember his name) finished up the article by saying. "There's one more observation that I failed to mention. The very large majority of those studying busily indoors were Asian..and the very large majority of the outdoor 'skateboard' crowd were Hispanics"....

He didn't seem too happy about this disparity---but he had the journalistic honesty to point it out---as, I would imagine, a 'challenge' for his own ethnic group to do better.....
That I believe.

Thomas Sowell pointed out prior to WW II that Japanese American children sitting sitting alongside Mexican Americans in the same classrooms tended to do much better later in life------and, were much more likely to assimilate into the dominant WASP culture.

Note that both groups had to deal with racism as well from many generic White people------and, that is not counting the losses endured by the former group in the Japanese Internment Camps during WW II.

Racism does not cut it: Mestizos and Japanese are closer in appearance that many of the different 'White' ethnic groups are to one another.

It has to be culture.
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Old 01-06-2008, 01:25 PM
 
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It has to be culture.
Don't get me started--culture is very close to being "everything".....it's NOT in our genes---it CAN be learned---but it's NOT negotiable. And multiculturalism, in its truest form, can only exist under a draconian government....It's something NO ONE would want, unless it was FORCED upon us...Anyone who says otherwise either just doesn't understand the meaning of multiculturalism (no, it isn't exciting recipes or exotic music)---or is simply in total denial. Multiculturalism would be fine, if EVERYONE loved and respected EVERYONE else, and if EVERYTHING anybody did was just "fine" with everyone else.. That day is a long way off, I'm afraid.
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Old 01-06-2008, 01:26 PM
 
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I think the same can be said of our own Native American population. They are given everything in the way of government handouts, free education as well. But just can't seem to come out of their poverty, and numerous other social ills. Not sure what the answer is, except we as human beings tend to value things we have to WORK for, instead of being handed to us without any effort on our part. It is not of value if no sweat and toil go into procuring what we desire. And also defeats pride in oneself and destroys morale.
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Old 01-06-2008, 01:41 PM
 
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I think the same can be said of our own Native American population. They are given everything in the way of government handouts, free education as well. But just can't seem to come out of their poverty, and numerous other social ills. Not sure what the answer is, except we as human beings tend to value things we have to WORK for, instead of being handed to us without any effort on our part. It is not of value if no sweat and toil go into procuring what we desire. And also defeats pride in oneself and destroys morale.
My wife is Indian....and although she's never lived on the "rez", she has relatives who do. It's a highly paternalistic system that does reduce the residents to a sort of permanent 'dependent' status...On the one hand, protected from some of the rougher forces of the 'outside world', and yet unable to enjoy the autonomy that they'd have if they lived out in the 'real world'. It's sort of like being a 'ward of the court', and the reservation system undoubtedly does sap some of the initiative and self-reliance from its residents...
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