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Old 01-07-2008, 04:45 PM
 
Location: Small patch of terra firma
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This incident continues to be relevant even more than one year later. Why? Because it shows a mindset. A mindset of total disrespect and disregard for America and her citizens by illegal aliens and their supporters. A mindset which mirrors the reconquista attitude which is prevalent in Southern California.

Those who do not learn from the mistakes of history are doomed to repeat them.
I agree, it does reflect a mindset. Iím just of the mindset that the destruction, disfigurement, or illegal replacement of the US flag does nothing to dimish or affect the symbolism of the US flag. It doesnít matter if it is a US citizen or an illegal immigrant, the meaning of the flag isnt destroyed.

I also doubt the OP who posted the link did it with the intent of trying to get people to understand any mindset. I also donít think it is relevant, it isnt recent, it isnt part of a larger thread putting it into context of a pattern of activity, it was a simple accusation that it was an illegal mexican who removed the flag. Where is the proof of that baseless accusation? Is there a police report showing who hoisted the flag and identifying their immigration status? How do you know it wasnít a US citizen of mexican descent who did it? What was the march or protest all about? Who started it? The single action in one event doesnít tell anything about it.

This video only seems to be about packaging an image for anti-illegal-immigrant proponents to help fuel their hate for illegal immigrants.
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Old 01-07-2008, 04:56 PM
 
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This video only seems to be about packaging an image for anti-illegal-immigrant proponents to help fuel their hate for illegal immigrants.
In a roundabout way, though I'm against ilegal immigration, I AGREE with you. I remember this incident, and I remarked at the time to my wife "It almost looks like these guys hired the Ku Klux Klan to do their P.R. work. What do they THINK people are going to feel when they see this?"

So you're correct--somebody DID package an image to "infuriate" anti-illegals....and apparently it was the illegals' organizers who did the 'packaging'.The problem is, they infuriated a lot of MODERATE people as well. I know LOTS of nice, moderate people---many of them Mexican-Americans--who became TOTALLY DISGUSTED by this outburst, and others like it, when it showed up on TV. So much for 'packaging an image'....
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Old 01-07-2008, 05:00 PM
 
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keepthefaith???? That is my opinion of you. As a veteran of WW2 and KOREA, I put my life on the line for people like you who do not have any feelings for our FLAG. On other land, walking onto the base and seeing your FLAG on the FLAG POLE gives a tingle to the heart. Did you ever have a mortor explode 30 ft from you and lived to talk about it? I DID and NOBODY will take down the US FLAG in my presense without a BIG FIGHT!!!! A PROUD VETERAN. Steve
Thank you, Steve. I for one appreciate our veterans. Without you and others like yourself these forums would not exist. God bless you and thank you for my freedoms. I, for one, love the US Flag and those that fought for it.
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Old 01-07-2008, 05:03 PM
 
Location: Houston, Texas
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Sir/Ma'am,

What a stupid and ignorant post. Some people always need someone to hate.

Spend your time doing something productive. If you love our great country, go and volunteer at the local USO or the VA Hospital. Vets need you now more than ever.

Serve. Do something that matters and stop wasting your life on this silly trash.
Stupid and ignorant? The man stated a fact. It really really really happened. And it happened in America. Maybe some people like yourself have no idea what the word "Patriotic" means but maybe you can ask your Dad or your Dads Dad. They will sit you down and give you a peice of their mind.

This is the greatest country in the world and it is that way because of the brave people who fought for YOU and I to be able to hang ANY flag outside.

How dare you.
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Old 01-07-2008, 05:07 PM
 
Location: California
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I suspect a Brown supremacist organization had to so something behind this. Any illegal involved with the agendas of those organizations are for sure as hell only there for the food and the after parties. On the flip side people seem to get so angry at this, no doubt about it it angers me as well. We have people in this country (Americans) who burn the American flag and a lot of people blow it off like its nothing.
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Old 01-07-2008, 05:11 PM
 
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I wonder what would happen if we went to Mexico City, took down the Mexican flag over the Zocalo and raised the US Flag..
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Old 01-07-2008, 05:29 PM
 
Location: San Diego North County
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I agree, it does reflect a mindset. I’m just of the mindset that the destruction, disfigurement, or illegal replacement of the US flag does nothing to dimish or affect the symbolism of the US flag. It doesn’t matter if it is a US citizen or an illegal immigrant, the meaning of the flag isnt destroyed.

I also doubt the OP who posted the link did it with the intent of trying to get people to understand any mindset. I also don’t think it is relevant, it isnt recent, it isnt part of a larger thread putting it into context of a pattern of activity, it was a simple accusation that it was an illegal mexican who removed the flag. Where is the proof of that baseless accusation? Is there a police report showing who hoisted the flag and identifying their immigration status? How do you know it wasn’t a US citizen of mexican descent who did it? What was the march or protest all about? Who started it? The single action in one event doesn’t tell anything about it.

This video only seems to be about packaging an image for anti-illegal-immigrant proponents to help fuel their hate for illegal immigrants.
Well, I was there. It isn't a baseless accusation on the part of the OP nor is it a part of some sort of marketing package.

Maywood, California is what has come to be called a sanctuary city. It is estimated than over 50% of Maywood's population consists of illegal Mexican immigrants. Maywood disbanded its traffic unit in 2004 because its officers were continually stopping illegal aliens with no drivers licenses. Its corrupt mayor and city council are all admitted illegal alien sympathizers.

From the Maywood Protest:



Police comment at the Save Our State website after the protest.

These comments were posted on the Save Our State forum.

Supersize

Hello everyone,

I am a visitor on this site and would like to give a little insight into how the day went. I hope you don't mind. I was one of the police officers assigned to the event. I will not say which department I work for, but, will say that there were officers from 5 different agencies there. As far as we were concerned, the day went pretty well. That means that nobody had any major injuries. I do want to express my condolences to your female friend that was attacked. I wish her well.

I do want to thank you guys for having a peaceful demonstration. I just wish other activist groups that we deal with would act in the same manner. About the parking situation, the original plan was to have everyone park in the grocery store parking lot. Unfortunately, the store’s manager was on the side of your foes and would not cooperate. This caused you guys to park in the streets at your own risk. Unfortunately, we couldn’t provide the resources to keep them safe. Next time, especially in a small town like Maywood, you might want to have everyone carpool in a large bus. This would help out tremendously. The police departments might even let you park it in the safe area. I know what a lot of you are thinking, but, I’m not just trying to pass the buck. Crime reports need to be filed for the vandalism to your vehicles. The only problem is that nobody will be caught. The best you can probably hope for is the insurance money. And, as far as the weapons comments go, I don’t think that carrying the weapons would be a really good idea. I do believe in the 2nd Amendment whole heartedly……hell, that’s what makes us citizens and not subjects. The only problem is when something happens and the guns either end up in the wrong hands. There are places that don’t even let cops carry them (like Dodger Stadium). When you have a permitted demonstration, it is up to the police to try to protect you as best we can. I think the bus idea will work here too.

The flag issue was huge. I thought you guys were going to do a cavalry charge on them for that one. I stopped some of you and said to give us a minute and we’ll take care of it. Unfortunately, it got tangled as they were taking it down. I could imagine the big s__t storm that would have came down if you would’ve made it to the other side. My money would’ve been on you….remember the Alamo.

The city council is out of control in Maywood. There are 2 good councilmen and 3 bad ones. The leader is the Vice Mayor. He takes all his orders from the church. The police dept pretty much has its hands tied. They did disband the traffic unit by order of the city council. They do still impound cars but can't put the state’s mandatory 30 day hold on them. Another agency has been enforcing traffic laws and impounding cars. The city has no authority over their officers. The city council is now drafting a plan to move from being a general law city to being a charter law city. For those of you that don’t understand the ramifications of this, here it is. Under a city charter, the city council makes all the decisions. Nothing has to be voted on by the people. The police officers can lose civil service rights. This will make them at will employees. Can you see a cop getting fired for enforcing the law on one of the city’s migrant children. This sounds like a tyranny to me. By the way, in case you didn’t know, the Vice Mayor was at the demonstration. Guess which side he was on.

I have to go now, so, once again thank you for a good demonstration. Keep up the fight and stay safe. I hope to see you guys again. It’s too bad I can’t join without losing my job.

VeteranUSMC

Yet another police officer comments on the day...

First of all, I am also a police officer, who was present at the Maywood Mess. I can’t disclose which agency I am employed by, but the police officers could not have been more angry and furious when we saw that polluted rag lifted over a United States Post Office! The coordinated effort to remove that toilet rag occurred immediately, though. On behalf of the police departments present, we not only silently support your (our) efforts, but appreciate all the crap you had to endure by those bottom feeders called Maywood/Huntington Park Residents.

One suggestion for the next march in the South East L.A. Area, coordinate one parking facility offsite. Your contact with the PD's were good because we knew exactly when you were in the area. However, with so many people parked in different areas, some SOS people had to walk through the filth to get to their vehicles. If all of the SOS vehicles are in a central location, the police can monitor and protect much better.

I appreciate the positive comments on the site about the Police. We basically had a 6 headed brown dragging who was blowing fire from all directions, and had to protect the SOS at the same time. Every officer there appreciates your efforts and would not watch someone get assaulted. I do not know what the plan or options were when Kele was beaten, however had the police known what was going on, we would have crashed through and helped.

I also actually stopped the San Bernardino Sheriff Deputy who had the concealed flag in his pants. What a sad day in America when we have to carry and American Flag wrapped up and stuffed away, to avoid being scorned, assaulted, robbed, or have his social security card and number stolen, by the local tampons called citizens. That Gentleman was very professional and knew why there were 4 police units with SWAT officers contacting him.

It was pathetic and sad to see how these illegal pukes view America. Some of the comments heard were,”**** George Washington, **** old glory, **** Red white and blue, this is Mexico.”

Do not feel that the police hold the same views as the janitor/day laborer city council of all the cities in the area. Many of the police have served in the Military, so it really hits hard when we have actually risked our lives overseas, to then come stateside and see these people raise a red white and green piece of used toilet paper over a United States Post Office. Come back soon and have another peaceful protest. We will adjust on our lessons learned, and think about the parking set up I mentioned.

The signs were great by the way.

Take care and see you again in this cess pool

Officer White
Police Officer

You can view the comments at the SaveOurState website. However, you must be a member.

Save Our State Forums

Those of you who do not live in Southern California cannot possibly understand.

There is an undercurrent of hatred running through Los Angeles and the surrounding area and it isn't coming from Americans. The sense of entitlement instilled within illegal aliens in Southern California is furthered by pro-illegal elected officials with reconquista leanings. You believe these people to be some sort of radical fringe group--but they are not. This sentiment that Southern California was stolen from Mexico is prevalent in So Cal, L.A. in particular and it is growing. Do none of you remember the May Day marches? One million illegal aliens and their supporters marched through the streets of Los Angeles waving Mexican flags and holding signs reading "Think I'm Illegal? You Don't Know Your Own History" and "White People--Illegal Since 1492" and then there is the ever popular "White Europeans - Go Back to Europe."

You think this is no more than some fringe element. You couldn't be further from the truth.

Last edited by Kele; 01-07-2008 at 05:42 PM..
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Old 01-07-2008, 05:43 PM
 
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Well, I was there. It isn't a baseless accusation on the part of the OP nor is it a part of some sort of marketing package.

Maywood, California is what has come to be called a sanctuary city. It is estimated than over 50% of Maywood's population consists of illegal Mexican immigrants. Maywood disbanded its traffic unit in 2004 because its officers were continually stopping illegal aliens with no drivers licenses. Its corrupt mayor and city council are all admitted illegal alien sympathizers.

From the Maywood Protest:



Police comment at the Save Our State website after the protest.

These comments were posted on the Save Our State forum.

Supersize

Hello everyone,

I am a visitor on this site and would like to give a little insight into how the day went. I hope you don't mind. I was one of the police officers assigned to the event. I will not say which department I work for, but, will say that there were officers from 5 different agencies there. As far as we were concerned, the day went pretty well. That means that nobody had any major injuries. I do want to express my condolences to your female friend that was attacked. I wish her well.

I do want to thank you guys for having a peaceful demonstration. I just wish other activist groups that we deal with would act in the same manner. About the parking situation, the original plan was to have everyone park in the grocery store parking lot. Unfortunately, the storeís manager was on the side of your foes and would not cooperate. This caused you guys to park in the streets at your own risk. Unfortunately, we couldnít provide the resources to keep them safe. Next time, especially in a small town like Maywood, you might want to have everyone carpool in a large bus. This would help out tremendously. The police departments might even let you park it in the safe area. I know what a lot of you are thinking, but, Iím not just trying to pass the buck. Crime reports need to be filed for the vandalism to your vehicles. The only problem is that nobody will be caught. The best you can probably hope for is the insurance money. And, as far as the weapons comments go, I donít think that carrying the weapons would be a really good idea. I do believe in the 2nd Amendment whole heartedlyÖÖhell, thatís what makes us citizens and not subjects. The only problem is when something happens and the guns either end up in the wrong hands. There are places that donít even let cops carry them (like Dodger Stadium). When you have a permitted demonstration, it is up to the police to try to protect you as best we can. I think the bus idea will work here too.

The flag issue was huge. I thought you guys were going to do a cavalry charge on them for that one. I stopped some of you and said to give us a minute and weíll take care of it. Unfortunately, it got tangled as they were taking it down. I could imagine the big s__t storm that would have came down if you wouldíve made it to the other side. My money wouldíve been on youÖ.remember the Alamo.

The city council is out of control in Maywood. There are 2 good councilmen and 3 bad ones. The leader is the Vice Mayor. He takes all his orders from the church. The police dept pretty much has its hands tied. They did disband the traffic unit by order of the city council. They do still impound cars but can't put the stateís mandatory 30 day hold on them. Another agency has been enforcing traffic laws and impounding cars. The city has no authority over their officers. The city council is now drafting a plan to move from being a general law city to being a charter law city. For those of you that donít understand the ramifications of this, here it is. Under a city charter, the city council makes all the decisions. Nothing has to be voted on by the people. The police officers can lose civil service rights. This will make them at will employees. Can you see a cop getting fired for enforcing the law on one of the cityís migrant children. This sounds like a tyranny to me. By the way, in case you didnít know, the Vice Mayor was at the demonstration. Guess which side he was on.

I have to go now, so, once again thank you for a good demonstration. Keep up the fight and stay safe. I hope to see you guys again. Itís too bad I canít join without losing my job.

VeteranUSMC

Yet another police officer comments on the day...

First of all, I am also a police officer, who was present at the Maywood Mess. I canít disclose which agency I am employed by, but the police officers could not have been more angry and furious when we saw that polluted rag lifted over a United States Post Office! The coordinated effort to remove that toilet rag occurred immediately, though. On behalf of the police departments present, we not only silently support your (our) efforts, but appreciate all the crap you had to endure by those bottom feeders called Maywood/Huntington Park Residents.

One suggestion for the next march in the South East L.A. Area, coordinate one parking facility offsite. Your contact with the PD's were good because we knew exactly when you were in the area. However, with so many people parked in different areas, some SOS people had to walk through the filth to get to their vehicles. If all of the SOS vehicles are in a central location, the police can monitor and protect much better.

I appreciate the positive comments on the site about the Police. We basically had a 6 headed brown dragging who was blowing fire from all directions, and had to protect the SOS at the same time. Every officer there appreciates your efforts and would not watch someone get assaulted. I do not know what the plan or options were when Kele was beaten, however had the police known what was going on, we would have crashed through and helped.

I also actually stopped the San Bernardino Sheriff Deputy who had the concealed flag in his pants. What a sad day in America when we have to carry and American Flag wrapped up and stuffed away, to avoid being scorned, assaulted, robbed, or have his social security card and number stolen, by the local tampons called citizens. That Gentleman was very professional and knew why there were 4 police units with SWAT officers contacting him.

It was pathetic and sad to see how these illegal pukes view America. Some of the comments heard were,Ē**** George Washington, **** old glory, **** Red white and blue, this is Mexico.Ē

Do not feel that the police hold the same views as the janitor/day laborer city council of all the cities in the area. Many of the police have served in the Military, so it really hits hard when we have actually risked our lives overseas, to then come stateside and see these people raise a red white and green piece of used toilet paper over a United States Post Office. Come back soon and have another peaceful protest. We will adjust on our lessons learned, and think about the parking set up I mentioned.

The signs were great by the way.

Take care and see you again in this cess pool

Officer White
Police Officer

You can view the comments at the SaveOurState website. However, you must be a member.

Save Our State Forums

Those of you who do not live in Southern California cannot possibly understand.

There is an undercurrent of hatred running through Los Angeles and the surrounding area and it isn't coming from Americans. The sense of entitlement instilled within illegal aliens in Southern California is furthered by pro-illegal elected officials with reconquista leanings. You believe these people to be some sort of radical fringe group--but they are not. This sentiment that Southern California was stolen from Mexico is prevalent in So Cal, L.A. in particular and it is growing. Do none of you remember the May Day marches? One million illegal aliens and their supporters marched through the streets of Los Angeles waving Mexican flags and holding signs reading "Think I'm Illegal? You Don't Know Your Own History" and "White People--Illegal Since 1492" and then there is the ever popular "White Europeans - Go Back to Europe."

You think this is no more than some fringe element. You couldn't be further from the truth.
Anyone can claim to be a police officer online.
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Old 01-07-2008, 05:44 PM
 
Location: San Diego North County
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Anyone can claim to be a police officer online.
That may be true, but only a police officer would know what was going on behind the scenes that day and every day in Maywood, CA.

Duh...
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Old 01-07-2008, 05:48 PM
 
Location: Colorado
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That may be true, but only a police officer would know what was going on behind the scenes that day and every day in Maywood, CA.

Duh...
Thats all he could come up with out of that? Might not be a police officer?!lol pathetic.
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