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Old 01-24-2015, 01:34 PM
 
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I support legal immigration.

 
Old 01-24-2015, 01:35 PM
 
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We need to guard and close our borders.

I know many people here that are illegal.......and they are hard working people. (my sister-in-law)

But, times have changed.
 
Old 01-24-2015, 01:38 PM
 
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We need to guard and close our borders.

I know many people here that are illegal.......and they are hard working people.

But, times have changed.
Liberals are all about telling us "times have changed, get over it" on pretty much every issue except immigration. In that case, they hold fast to an "appeal to tradition" fallacy and claim that because the United States once brought in many immigrants to fill its factories and populate its frontiers, that makes it a "Nation of Immigrants(TM)" and it must thus continue to do so for all time. On immigration, it's always the Gilded Age (but without the "racism", of course).
 
Old 01-24-2015, 01:46 PM
 
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I think of it like inviting people to live with you. You have limited resources and rooms. You have cultural, job and education issues.

People need to be on the same page when they live together so that everyone has a place, a common way to communicate and a way to participate in the constructive activities of maintaining the "house."

So you invite people at a measured pace with everyone creating new resources, educating to ensure that the next group you invite will not have a negative effect on the people who are already there. Cohesion has to be built before you are overwhelmed with a new set of guests. And that takes some time.

Why would anyone living in a well-run household ever tolerate strangers forcing their way in? And why wouldn't anyone living in a well-run household not be willing to share with others in need? But it would have to be by the home-owners own rules otherwise, in the end, nobody benefits. Chaos, neediness and fear are created by moving too swiftly.
 
Old 01-24-2015, 01:57 PM
 
Location: Iowa, USA
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Where do I stand on illegal immigration? It's illegal.

Immigrating is a hassle, so I can understand why some choose to forgo the legal process and just walk in. Rather or not a state really has a right to strictly patrol who comes and goes is not the issue at this point. We have border patrol for safety reasons. If the process makes it hard to regular people to immigrate, the system is broken.

We should simplify the process. Keep dangerous people out, and let those who want to pursue a life in America come in. Make the process quick so people will have less reason to avoid the process.

I however see no point in treating the illegal immigrants as criminals though. For the most part, the only crime they commit was not going through the official process, which is hardly the worst thing a person can do. May as well detain them and force them to go into the legal process and maybe pay a fine, but just kicking them out seems excessively harsh for a fairly modest crime.
 
Old 01-24-2015, 01:58 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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It's perfectly alright if the United States (and Europe) are flooded by the detritus of the entire planet, as long as it's "legal." In fact it's wonderful. After all, the socialist who put the poem on the side of the Statue of Liberty said we have to, because America.

-- any mainstream "conservative."
With few exceptions, ^ would describe most people's ancestors.
 
Old 01-24-2015, 02:00 PM
 
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With few exceptions, ^ would describe most people's ancestors.
1. Untrue.
2. Irrelevant.
 
Old 01-24-2015, 02:12 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Illegal immigration from Mexico and Central America became a tidal wave in the 80's and peaked with the housing bubble.

It has not mattered who sat the oval or held the majority, there's been no agreement on what should be done. And so...the US has done nothing which has led to " right now".

So long as small business recruits and hires undocumented workers, there is no d fence high enough or troops deep enough to keep undocumented people out. The massive spending required to build, maintain and patrol fences will however goose a few state economies on the federal dime. It also grows government.

So long as state and federal government look the other way as it relates to employment of undocumented workers, there is no reason to stop. It's a big ole handout to small business. And all the legislators know it.

Why have most states rejected bio-metric employee ID verification?
 
Old 01-24-2015, 02:17 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Default As an American where do you stand on illegal immigration?

I stand on the bedrock of reality.

Illegal immigration is just another form of corporate welfare.

Big corporations absolutely love having millions of sub-minimum wage workers in the US labor force to hold down wages and benefits for American workers.

When something benefits the wealthy and powerful, it's written in stone in the USA. And that's exactly why it will never be effectively addressed.
 
Old 01-24-2015, 02:18 PM
 
Location: MD's Eastern Shore
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I can't stand them. They steal our jobs, steal our I'ds, bring their third world $#!thole living standards and crime, and fail to assimilate as well as other negatives. I see ABSOLUTELY NO POSITIVES, to ILLEGALS being here destroying our country.

And before I get accused of being against immigrants, my mom is a legal immigrant from Norway, and my wife is a recent legal immigrant from Colombia. Unlike these POS visa overstays and border jumpers it took a bit over a year for her paperwork to go through as extensive background checks, bloodwork and interviews were done to make sure she would not be a charge, would not bring in any diseases and wouldn't be a threat to our country. The laws on the books are good, the rules are fair. It's not impossible to come here and I have no issues. If, however you need to come here illegally you have something to hide (criminal, terrorist, etc..), you don't have any skills which we could use, you are uneducated and will become a public charge at some point, or your trying to steal someones life (identity, job, etc) etc. so turn your ass around at the river and go home.

I wish our government would strictly enforce the laws already on the books. The laws are there. USE THEM. And that includes strictly enforcing the laws in regards to US company's hiring these ILLEGALS. So what if they have to be shut down. I really don't give a flying rat's ass F--k as they are hiring people who don't belong here and not US citizens and legal residents. And guess what? That goes for Joe homeowner and Jose his gardener as well. Give a hefty fine to Joe homeowner that will pay to put Jose on a plane to somewhere in the far reaches of whatever s#!thole he came from. It would perhaps make him think twice about hiring another illegal if he'll end up paying more then if he just hired a legal company which would have proper permits and liability insurance as well.

This country has had some bad times in it's history as have all 1st world country's. Guess what? WE FIXED IT. Yea, simple really. Now why can't all these damn illegals just go home and fix their own corrupt s#!tholes. It's not impossible.
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