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Old 01-25-2015, 07:02 AM
 
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Typical.

A leftist is so concerned about the plight of poor blacks. That is, when the plight is compared to wealthier white conservatives.

Now, illegal immigration is a direct cause of increased unemployment amongst lower class blacks according to the CBO. But being soft on immigration is a source of votes for the Democrat Party with hispanics. whose support for the Democrats is more in contention than that of the black community, so magically the harm done by illegal immigration ceases to be a top concern.

Just like the concern over the war crime of using drones disappeared once Obama was elected, just like the concern over women's rights disappears when it comes to Muslims doing the persecuting, just like concern over the budget when it comes to military spending disappears when it comes to social spending.

Thanks for posting the hypocricies of the leftist liberals. I pointed out many of these things to a close relative who is one of them. They had no replies accept stuttering and looking like a deer with his eyes caught in the headlights.

 
Old 01-25-2015, 07:05 AM
 
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I am an American citizen. Before that I was a legal immigrant to the United States. I filled out endless amounts of paperwork, was fingerprinted, had an FBI background check, visited an INS approved doctor for a physical, sent in the money and then waited for years.

By the time it was done I had been fingerprinted twice, interviewed a number of times, filled out untold numbers of forms that recorded my education level / residential history / work history / family history, and I had to swear that I had never been a prostitute, had never engaged in genocide, had never been a nazi or a communist - all so this government could ensure that I was a reputable person, did not have a criminal record, would not bring nasty little diseases into the country, and that I had enough skills and education so as to not become a financial burden to my new country.

The entire process lasted for years and included forms that had to continually be resent because INS had a habit of losing them, fingerprints that had to be taken twice because INS lost the first set, travel across the state three times for interviews and long waits for interviews (they would not schedule them so it was first come first served, and even before the building had opened in the morning the line stretched around the front and side of the building).

As an American, how do I feel about illegal immigration? How the hell do you THINK I feel about illegals?
You have hit on the other point that encourage legal Immigration to the US the process should be more efficient . That is craziness what you went thru and you Sir took the First Steps in Becoming a Law Abiding Citizen. Thank You!

Now those who break the law and trespass on US Territory should be deported and turned in 3days. No Paperwork, out you go, There is no need to investigate or go to court to determine if you got a legal Visa.

The Country of origin will pick up the bill and have some aid package reduced. That's motivation!
Those who have been here years with out lifting a finger should be deported and there for their child whom was Illegally brought here. The Ricco Act Should apply to those Illegals whom been here awhile.

Put a defining definition on the 16th Amendment, when it applies to anchor Babies!

We can no longer split hairs on this important issue. Those who come Illegally should be put on a Black List for 5 Years before even visiting this country on vacation.
 
Old 01-25-2015, 07:07 AM
 
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Having always lived in a border state, I think that immigrants (legal or illegal) are a vital part of our economy. They do a lot of work that U.S. citizens won't do. The illegal aliens are also much more law abiding because they don't want to be deported ( I am not making this up, you can look up the statistics).
Your claims have been debunked many times before. There are no jobs that a citizen won't do. They are not a vital part of our economy. They actually reduce wages and don't pay in enough taxes to cover their social costs. They send billions out of our economy to their homelands. Law abiding? They broke our immigration laws and many work with fake or stolen documents and those are felonies. Many have been caught drunk driving and any other numerous crimes. Actually, it is you that needs to look up the real statistics on them.
 
Old 01-25-2015, 07:11 AM
 
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Your claims have been debunked many times before. There are no jobs that a citizen won't do. They are not a vital part of our economy. They actually reduce wages and don't pay in enough taxes to cover their social costs. They send billions out of our economy to their homelands. Law abiding? They broke our immigration laws and many work with fake or stolen documents and those are felonies. Many have been caught drunk driving and any other numerous crimes. Actually, it is you that needs to look up the real statistics on them.
Plus these Illegals are paid are very low wages and no benefits. Plus the US Gov is cheated out of taxes, except for purchases they may make.
 
Old 01-25-2015, 07:20 AM
 
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"Secure borders" are a goal that sounds popular in theory, but seems increasingly unlikely to be enforceable. Individual human mobility is simply too great, and constantly increasing. It would appear to this writer that identifying, monitoring, and where necessary, hunting down and liquidating those who pose an extreme threat (and those who support and finance them as well) would be a more-effective, and less costly alternative.

If profiling, and harsh tactics against those who fit the pattern are necessary -- so be it. Let it be an incentive to the law-abiding and innocuous majority to purge the rotten apples within their ranks.

(But that doesn't provide a "job" for Dumb-Billy-Bob -- somebody's politically-connected brother-in-law sitting at the front gate of a small county court house "guardin' us from da terrorists".)

The societal "safety net" needs neither expansion nor abolition -- it needs repair and policing, and that measure, including the exclusion of illegal immigrants, can best be achieved at the local level. But I assure you that the bureaucracy will fight this to the last ditch.

And to all those who sit in front of the tube swilling beer and basing their financial futures on lottery tickets and economic ignorance -- grow up! Immigration, legal or illegal, has little to do with the deterioration of an artificial advantage which began in 1945, and is crumbling under the workings of both supply and demand, and basic societal trends -- the largest of which, BTW, is the entry of women and teenagers into the casual labor force.

Just the way it is -- don't blame the messenger for the message.

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Old 01-25-2015, 07:59 AM
 
Location: On the "Left Coast", somewhere in "the Land of Fruits & Nuts"
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My attitudes re: "illegals" are colored by my personal experience, which is two-fold. For one, I live in a rural part of California where nearly all the Ag work is done by "immigrants", simply 'cuz the local farmers can't get the 'natives' to do it. For another, as a landlord, have had nothing but good experiences with my 'hispanic' tenants, who work hard, take care of their families, and pay the rent on time… which is a lot better experience than I've had with many of their deadbeat 'anglo' counterparts (aka, 'rednecks'), who often feel "entitled" by simply an accident of birth.
 
Old 01-25-2015, 12:51 PM
 
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"Secure borders" are a goal that sounds popular in theory, but seems increasingly unlikely to be enforceable. Individual human mobility is simply too great, and constantly increasing. It would appear to this writer that identifying, monitoring, and where necessary, hunting down and liquidating those who pose an extreme threat (and those who support and finance them as well) would be a more-effective, and less costly alternative.

If profiling, and harsh tactics against those who fit the pattern are necessary -- so be it. Let it be an incentive to the law-abiding and innocuous majority to purge the rotten apples within their ranks.

(But that doesn't provide a "job" for Dumb-Billy-Bob -- somebody's politically-connected brother-in-law sitting at the front gate of a small county court house "guardin' us from da terrorists".)

The societal "safety net" needs neither expansion nor abolition -- it needs repair and policing, and that measure, including the exclusion of illegal immigrants, can best be achieved at the local level. But I assure you that the bureaucracy will fight this to the last ditch.

And to all those who sit in front of the tube swilling beer and basing their financial futures on lottery tickets and economic ignorance -- grow up! Immigration, legal or illegal, has little to do with the deterioration of an artificial advantage which began in 1945, and is crumbling under the workings of both supply and demand, and basic societal trends -- the largest of which, BTW, is the entry of women and teenagers into the casual labor force.

Just the way it is -- don't blame the messenger for the message.
Our immigration laws are enforceable if we remove the incentives to remain here or continue to come here illegally. Most of us who oppose illegal immigration are fighting to elect a government who will enforce our laws and are not Dumb Billy Bobs swilling beer in front of the TV either. We are law abiding, productive, patriotic Americans. By the way, you'd be pretty naïve not to think that terrorists aren't getting through our border right along with these illegal aliens. Even the FBI Director has stated as such.
 
Old 01-25-2015, 01:00 PM
 
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My attitudes re: "illegals" are colored by my personal experience, which is two-fold. For one, I live in a rural part of California where nearly all the Ag work is done by "immigrants", simply 'cuz the local farmers can't get the 'natives' to do it. For another, as a landlord, have had nothing but good experiences with my 'hispanic' tenants, who work hard, take care of their families, and pay the rent on time… which is a lot better experience than I've had with many of their deadbeat 'anglo' counterparts (aka, 'rednecks'), who often feel "entitled" by simply an accident of birth.
Are you not aware that there are unlimited H-2A visas for legal, foreign crop pickers? Citizens aren't needed to pick crops for that reason. Most Americans don't live in rural areas anyway and it isn't a career job. The only reason that illegals are picking crops is because some of the growers refuse to use those visas because their profit margin increases via illegal labor. Only 3% of illegals are picking crops anyway. The rest are doing jobs that Americans want and need. This has nothing to do with "Hispanics" supposedly being a superior group. It is about breaking our immigration and labor laws and the huge social costs that illegals impose on us.

Your remarks about deadbeat anglos and rednecks is very telling. Most Americans are not like that. Accident of birth? Like it or not every country's citizens are entitled to certain rights in their country over foreigners. Is being born in Mexico merely an accident of birth and therefore they shouldn't be entitled to any citizen's rights over foreigners especially those there illegally?
 
Old 01-25-2015, 02:01 PM
 
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I take a very hard line when it comes to illegal immigration. I don't care where in the world an illegal comes from. Nor do I care if they sneaked across a border or overstayed a visa. They all have one thing in common and that is this --- they have no business being here and need to leave.

The term "honest illegal alien" is an oxymoron. All illegals are liars and cheats who lack a moral compass. They are also parasites who are a drain on this country. This latest batch of "children" who showed up at the border will be nothing but a huge drain. It was discovered that the vast majority couldn't even count to ten in Spanish. One girl who was 15 showed up with 2 kids in tow. You can bet that they will never be productive citizens. Why is this nonsense even tolerated?

I'm half-Hispanic and am insulted when both dems and repubs think they will get my vote by pandering to me with promises of amnesty. If anything, I won't vote for anyone who does that. None of my Hispanic relatives are here illegally---never were. In fact, many in the extended family have worked for ICE, The Border Patrol, Customs and have served in the military.

I can't thank enough the legal immigrants like "JuneauBound" for abiding by our laws and patiently awaiting their turns to come here.

That said, we can't keep taking in 1 million legal immigrants per year. We are running out of potable water and buildable land. Bringing in so many people so quickly without a timeout, in some cases, really tears at the fabric of some communities---especially when those moving to those communities come from cultures that are not compatible with ours and to add insult to injury have no intention of assimilating.

We have to stop letting in people that come from countries that are hostile to us. That should have happened after 9/11.

Those of you who say we can't round up millions of illegals---there is no need to do so. Make E-verify the law of the land and tweak it so it picks up things like illegals who name their anchor babies after themselves then use said child's SSN. Run everybody in the work force through it to weed out those 8 million no-matches. Make sure that illegals can't access any form of welfare (they access welfare by having anchor babies) or other freebies. Do something to end the whole anchor baby/birth tourism fiasco. If illegals can't find jobs and can't access freebies, they will leave on their own accord. Would you stay someplace if you couldn't find work or collect unemployment?
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