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Old 01-27-2015, 07:00 PM
 
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I don't pander to the illegals at all and can't stand it that a lot of Spanish speakers refuse to assimilate to our language and culture. However, it's just that since I have spent a lot of time in Spanish speaking country's as a Gringo I can deal with it in touristy areas because that has been me, in reverse, when in those country's.

Where I have lived in S. FL there are 3 international airports within 60 miles with countless flights arriving daily from assorted Latin American country's and there is another a few hours up the turnpike. When it comes to tourists arriving I don't expect the average one to be quite fluent in English (Such as me not being totally fluent in Spanish when I'm playing tourist in those country's). So personally, I'll keep up on my Spanish as it will only help with my job search when I return to FL.

Now, as far as where I am now, as well as other rural parts off the beaten path from the traditional international tourist spots oh well! Those around here better learn English. Sorry but any Mexican or Central American around here who try's to speak to me in Spanish gets the ol nod and smile as I say "me no speeka Espanish". Now if one speaks to me in broken English I will probably reply in "tarzan speak" Spanish so I can keep in practice.

Many are not even grateful that they are American and refuse to drop their duel citizenship. I see more Columbian and communist Cuba Flags than American Flag, Old Glory.

What's really fun is my employees in Hialeah did not know if Arizona was a State!
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Old 01-29-2015, 07:07 PM
 
Location: Singapore
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A lot of people believe that illegal immigration does not affect them in anyway. I'm sure that this is true for some people, but I feel, every single day, the hardship of living in a town with lots of illegal immigrants.

I work in customer service and constantly find that I am standing around, absolutely useless, because our store is full of non-english-speaking customers. I can't find a better paying job because employers can hire someone bilingual and pay them the same amount of money - so why the hell would they hire me?

Very few people are ever encouraging; they basically tell me to conform and learn Spanish. Why should I learn a language I don't have any cares for?

Do you feel like illegal immigration affects you? Why do you think so many people feel unaffected by it?
I am not from the US, nor do i intend to migrate there, but my own country is experiencing extremely high levels of legal immigration. Like it or not, just to adapt and survive, i too had to be more proficient in other languages, when i noticed that I was losing out- I too work in customer service once. Government policy is responsible for this. At this point, i was already born bilingual and am learning 2 more languages.

In any case, it seems like immigration reform in the US is inevitable; reference to this news article from the QZ website (Quartz (publication): Don

Change happens to all nations and cultures; many of my fellow countrymen complain about the changes but to survive, i realize that sometimes, immigrants may not conform, and so, in order to survive, a little bit of conforming on both sides have to appear.

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Old 01-29-2015, 07:48 PM
 
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I am not from the US, nor do i intend to migrate there, but my own country is experiencing extremely high levels of legal immigration. Like it or not, just to adapt and survive, i too had to be more proficient in other languages, when i noticed that I was losing out- I too work in customer service once. Government policy is responsible for this. At this point, i was already born bilingual and am learning 2 more languages.

In any case, it seems like immigration reform in the US is inevitable; reference to this news article from the QZ website (Quartz (publication): Don

Change happens to all nations and cultures; many of my fellow countrymen complain about the changes but to survive, i realize that sometimes, immigrants may not conform, and so, in order to survive, a little bit of conforming on both sides have to appear.

Is changing our linguistic habits "a little bit of conforming"?
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Old 01-29-2015, 08:24 PM
 
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I am not from the US, nor do i intend to migrate there, but my own country is experiencing extremely high levels of legal immigration. Like it or not, just to adapt and survive, i too had to be more proficient in other languages, when i noticed that I was losing out- I too work in customer service once. Government policy is responsible for this. At this point, i was already born bilingual and am learning 2 more languages.

In any case, it seems like immigration reform in the US is inevitable; reference to this news article from the QZ website (Quartz (publication): Don

Change happens to all nations and cultures; many of my fellow countrymen complain about the changes but to survive, i realize that sometimes, immigrants may not conform, and so, in order to survive, a little bit of conforming on both sides have to appear.
You said your country is experiencing high levels of legal immigration. This is about illegal immigration into the U.S. If "immigrants" fail to conform then that's their problem but we certainly shouldn't have to conform to them.
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Old 01-29-2015, 08:32 PM
 
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Is changing our linguistic habits "a little bit of conforming"?
neutral perspective here:

Unfortunately, it is a lot of conforming, but sad as it is, at the end of the day, just to make my own life easier, I had to end up changing my own linguistic habits - it turned out to be a irreversible tide or irreversible trend.

depending on how you look at statistics, the immigrant population within my own country can be anyway between 30% to 45%. if a full amnesty is given to all 11 million immigrants in the US, it is somewhere around 3%-4%, unless US government changes its policy, which does not seem will ever happen. regardless, linguistic changes are hard to reverse (neutral opinion here).

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Old 01-29-2015, 08:41 PM
 
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You said your country is experiencing high levels of legal immigration. This is about illegal immigration into the U.S. If "immigrants" fail to conform then that's their problem but we certainly shouldn't have to conform to them.
I am trying to offer a neutral perspective here:

certainly that is a sentiment I have heard in other countries; i have heard that in my own country, i have heard it in Australia as well; i have heard that too in Japan as well and Hong kong.

Unfortunately, demographic changes are part and parcel of history, the inevitable tide of history. When linguistic and demographic changes occur, as it did in many other countries, "mainstream" society carries a different meaning. Not speaking the mainstream language, as I myself found out, meant losing out economically on a daily basis.

the US is large and economically dynamic; it has always assimilated and integrated immigrants and have always done so; it is just that some cultural and linguistic changes would occur, as it has occurred to hundreds of other civilizations over the past thousands of years.

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Old 01-29-2015, 09:35 PM
 
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I am trying to offer a neutral perspective here:

certainly that is a sentiment I have heard in other countries; i have heard that in my own country, i have heard it in Australia as well; i have heard that too in Japan as well and Hong kong.

Unfortunately, demographic changes are part and parcel of history, the inevitable tide of history. When linguistic and demographic changes occur, as it did in many other countries, "mainstream" society carries a different meaning. Not speaking the mainstream language, as I myself found out, meant losing out economically on a daily basis.

the US is large and economically dynamic; it has always assimilated and integrated immigrants and have always done so; it is just that some cultural and linguistic changes would occur, as it has occurred to hundreds of other civilizations over the past thousands of years.
There is nothing natural nor lawful about demographic change due to illegal immigration and we are supposed to be a melting pot not a salad bowl. I don't know of any country in the world that would embrace a change in their identifying culture and language. Immigrants must come legally and in diversified numbers so that they will assimilate to us not the other way around. Otherwise colonization and the above occurs and a nation becomes less united.
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Old 01-29-2015, 10:07 PM
 
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There is nothing natural nor lawful about demographic change due to illegal immigration and we are supposed to be a melting pot not a salad bowl. I don't know of any country in the world that would embrace a change in their identifying culture and language. Immigrants must come legally and in diversified numbers so that they will assimilate to us not the other way around. Otherwise colonization and the above occurs and a nation becomes less united.
Neutral perspective here:

I certainly agree with you that there is nothing lawful about demographic changes due to illegal immigration.

I also agree with you that there is no country in the world that would embrace a change in their identifying culture and language.

I also agree with you that immigrants must come in diversified numbers so that they will assimilate to the country instead of the other way around.

I am just pointing out what is actually happening in reality and the future trend about a hundred years into the future. Unless a government does a 180 degree turnaround and completely cancel out every single immigration policy, demographic and linguistic trends tend to be irreversible - I am not saying whether this is right or wrong in any sense, just noting that it is already happening.
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Old 01-30-2015, 08:42 AM
 
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Neutral perspective here:

I certainly agree with you that there is nothing lawful about demographic changes due to illegal immigration.

I also agree with you that there is no country in the world that would embrace a change in their identifying culture and language.

I also agree with you that immigrants must come in diversified numbers so that they will assimilate to the country instead of the other way around.

I am just pointing out what is actually happening in reality and the future trend about a hundred years into the future. Unless a government does a 180 degree turnaround and completely cancel out every single immigration policy, demographic and linguistic trends tend to be irreversible - I am not saying whether this is right or wrong in any sense, just noting that it is already happening.
I am sorry but pointing out the so-called obvious (like sticking the needle in) makes me question motive and neutrality. Just as long as we limit legal immigration and deter illegal immigration your projections for the future are moot.
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