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Old 01-25-2015, 09:18 PM
 
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A lot of people believe that illegal immigration does not affect them in anyway. I'm sure that this is true for some people, but I feel, every single day, the hardship of living in a town with lots of illegal immigrants.

I work in customer service and constantly find that I am standing around, absolutely useless, because our store is full of non-english-speaking customers. I can't find a better paying job because employers can hire someone bilingual and pay them the same amount of money - so why the hell would they hire me?

Very few people are ever encouraging; they basically tell me to conform and learn Spanish. Why should I learn a language I don't have any cares for?

Do you feel like illegal immigration affects you? Why do you think so many people feel unaffected by it?
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Old 01-25-2015, 09:22 PM
 
Location: NJ
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"Why should I learn a language I don't have any cares for?"

Bigger paychecks mean having skill sets that are in demand. It is not up to the labor supply to decide what should be in demand. It is up to them to decide if they wish to conform. If they don't, they should not be rewarded in a manner equivalent to those who do conform.

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Old 01-25-2015, 09:51 PM
 
Location: MD's Eastern Shore
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I live in coastal MD, far from any border and at least 3 hours from the nearest international airport and I feel the effects of it here. More and more every year.

As far as learning Spanish, I grew up outside of DC and deliberately did the bare minimum so I could pass my foreign language class with a D. I thought, why do I need to learn this crap? This is MD, the USA. Then years later I started working on boats that took me all over into Latin America and the Caribbean. Go figure. Now I speak Spanish and keep current on it. Do I need it where I'm at now? NO. As far as the illegals are concerned here, I have nothing to say to them. If they can't communicate with us, then maybe that's a step of them to feel unwelcome here and GTFO ASAP.

Now as far as me intending to move back to FL. Speaking Spanish and being bilingual will only help in my search for work. I think it's a good thing to have. I change my tune in a place where there are a lot of legal residents and tourists who might understand things a little better in their language. Of course I think that way because I had spent a long time in assorted Spanish speaking country's in touristy locations. I, like many other gringos, learned the language as best I could but all us gringo's still spoke to each other in English. When I needed to get things done in town it was a lot easier when dealing with a local who learned English in school. As soon as it was mutually determined that who I was dealing with spoke better English then my Spanish, we'd communicate in English. So I have been on the other side as well.

If it will help you with pay and job advancement, suck it up and learn it. Now I still have my strong stance against illegals but the language thing I'm all for knowing another language and wish I paid more attention in school.
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Old 01-25-2015, 10:00 PM
 
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Oh, illegal immigration affects me. I've had to helplessly watch my town go downhill due to illegals. They live 20-30 in flophouses. They've ruined the schools. The elementary school that my daughter went to was once a good school. Now, due to illegals, it can't get full accreditation from the state.

There is no reason for anyone to learn Spanish unless you want to learn it. No one should ever learn it in order to bend over backwards to accommodate illegals. Spanish was my father's first language and he will tell you that when you call a company and hear "para Espanol, oprime dos" that it has no place in this country. Putting signage up in both Spanish and English to accommodate illegals is useless, as many of them are functionally illiterate and can't even read the language.
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Old 01-26-2015, 05:58 AM
 
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A lot of people believe that illegal immigration does not affect them in anyway. I'm sure that this is true for some people, but I feel, every single day, the hardship of living in a town with lots of illegal immigrants.

I work in customer service and constantly find that I am standing around, absolutely useless, because our store is full of non-english-speaking customers. I can't find a better paying job because employers can hire someone bilingual and pay them the same amount of money - so why the hell would they hire me?

Very few people are ever encouraging; they basically tell me to conform and learn Spanish. Why should I learn a language I don't have any cares for?

Do you feel like illegal immigration affects you? Why do you think so many people feel unaffected by it?
Aside from those who hire them and profit from them it is because some have such bleeding heart attitudes or have ethnic ties to illegal aliens that they just plain don't care.

They fancy themselves as the champion of the underdogs but are so clueless that they don't realize that regular Americans are the actual underdogs in all of this.
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Old 01-26-2015, 08:03 AM
 
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"Why should I learn a language I don't have any cares for?"

Bigger paychecks mean having skill sets that are in demand. It is not up to the labor supply to decide what should be in demand. It is up to them to decide if they wish to conform. If they don't, they should not be rewarded in a manner equivalent to those who do conform.
In this country, people who refuse to communicate effectively in English are the ones that are not conforming and yet they are constantly rewarded for their lack of effort.
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Old 01-26-2015, 08:10 AM
 
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Your comment proved what I stated above. People expect me to learn a language that I have no emotional ties to. Why should I learn a language that I have no interest in? There is no Spanish-speaking culture that I care about. They don't want to learn English, so they obviously don't care about us. Plus, as I stated, bilingual individuals get paid the same. The only difference is that more employers want them. Why should I have to suffer because the government won't require immigrants to learn English?

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"Why should I learn a language I don't have any cares for?"

Bigger paychecks mean having skill sets that are in demand. It is not up to the labor supply to decide what should be in demand. It is up to them to decide if they wish to conform. If they don't, they should not be rewarded in a manner equivalent to those who do conform.
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Old 01-26-2015, 08:14 AM
 
Location: On the "Left Coast", somewhere in "the Land of Fruits & Nuts"
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"Survival of the fittest" is the first law of nature. And an accident of birth doesn't "entitle" anyone to ignore that fact.
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Old 01-26-2015, 08:16 AM
 
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"Survival of the fittest" is the first law of nature. And an accident of birth doesn't "entitle" anyone to ignore that.
So who is the "fittest"?
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Old 01-26-2015, 08:55 AM
 
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"Survival of the fittest" is the first law of nature. And an accident of birth doesn't "entitle" anyone to ignore that fact.
Not sure what you mean by that but it doesn't negate the fact that citizens have rights over foreigners especially those here illegally. How is being born by citizen parents and "accident" of birth? You are the one ignoring the fact that citizens are entitled to rights in their own country and that all countries have immigration laws. It has nothing to do with "fitness".
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