Important.. mexican solders cross into U.S. to aid mexican drug smugglers! (illegal, regular)

[CamaroGuy]

Originally Posted by All American NYC

Mexico's gangs can rival Mexicans military.

Our troops should have been at the border yesterday.

Ditto! Take the thirty-plus-thousand troops we have in South Korea and put them on the border now.

[tinman01]

In my hay day we would be sent south to help certain countries with the war on drugs among other things. The 1 thing that was most apparent was the lack of training and pride. Another was that no matter what the hop was security had been breached. We used to joke among ourselves that it was a good thing we were working with the nationals or else we might end up meeting bad guys.
Of course you have mexican soldiers doing these things. The only surprise is that it doesnt happen more often.

[Tom9]

Originally Posted by IBMMuseum

YOu alluded to working from the inside earlier...

Is YOur statement true about agents offering money so that a detainee would sign a Voluntary Departure order?...

Just wanting to find out a little more detail...

I didn't allude or infer about working from the inside. I said it straight out on another thread. So again briefly...from1988 to 2000 I worked for the INS as a contract interpreter. During that time I made a few trips to the southern border area Brownsville, McAllen and the station at Eagle Pass. All in Texas.

The information on the southern border of Mexico was given to me by USBP officers who had been there, on invite, and relayed the information to me. So yes, it is second hand but so is the statement by another poster that the Mexican southern border is more porous than ours. That isn't true. Why because by the time you get to the US-Mexican border the number of border crossers has quadrupled in number because as the numbers show the majority ar Mexican citizens .


As far as offering money to illegals to go home to Mexico and Central America from the US You are confusing that with the thread on the Spanish government offering money for illegals to return to their own countries. I have never heard that from any USBP agent. It didn't work in Spain so I am sure they never even bother to try it here. The only kind of "renumeration" we afford some illegals leaving is a free plane ride to Guatemala or El Salvador but not to Mexico as it is our next door neighbor and there is no need for airfare.

Many people are still talking about putting military personnel on the border. Again that is not possible because it is prohibited by federal law. Unless your congress-person makes and effort to have that law overturned you will not see US Army troops on the border. National Guard can be ordered up by the state but there are all kinds of restrictions. So now you know. If your congress-person won't speak up that situation will not change. Most won't because they don't want to loose the Hispanic vote.

[tinman01]

Originally Posted by CamaroGuy

Ditto! Take the thirty-plus-thousand troops we have in South Korea and put them on the border now.

No need we have plenty floating around in support roles and in transition between duty assignments. We have recruits waiting for openings in schools etc. Border patrol would be excellent hands on training before being shipped overseas. Assign a squad to each border agent. it is almost cost neutral.

[Tom9]

Originally Posted by tinman01

No need we have plenty floating around in support roles and in transition between duty assignments. We have recruits waiting for openings in schools etc. Border patrol would be excellent hands on training before being shipped overseas. Assign a squad to each border agent. it is almost cost neutral.

Didn't you read what I just said about federal troops on the border? That's not BS. Just to train amry personnel using border patrol agents might even be a problem. I'm not sure but they way red tape works ...well you know.

[IBMMuseum]

Originally Posted by Tom9

I didn't allude or infer about working from the inside. I said it straight out on another thread. So again briefly...from1988 to 2000 I worked for the INS as a contract interpreter. During that time I made a few trips to the southern border area Brownsville, McAllen and the station at Eagle Pass. All in Texas.

The information on the southern border of Mexico was given to me by USBP officers who had been there, on invite, and relayed the information to me. So yes, it is second hand but so is the statement by another poster that the Mexican southern border is more porous than ours. That isn't true. Why because by the time you get to the US-Mexican border the number of border crossers has quadrupled in number because as the numbers show the majority ar Mexican citizens ...

But in my experience, most of the Border Patrol agents don't know many specifics about the opposite side of the Mexican border that they are on themselves (the screening process for hiring heavily purges any potential personnel that has links or commonly travels there). In other words, if they hear anything about an "FMT" (Mexican travel document), you are likely to just get a blank stare. I am more familiar with inside Mexico, and even don't know that end of the country as well (but my wife had quite a bit of time in Chiapas, right on the border. She discounts that second-hand information you are retelling).

Originally Posted by Tom9

...As far as offering money to illegals to go home to Mexico and Central America from the US You are confusing that with the thread on the Spanish government offering money for illegals to return to their own countries. I have never heard that from any USBP agent. It didn't work in Spain so I am sure they never even bother to try it here. The only kind of "renumeration" we afford some illegals leaving is a free plane ride to Guatemala or El Salvador but not to Mexico as it is our next door neighbor and there is no need for airfare...

I phrased my question completely around "Voluntary Departure", so you had to have known it was referring to a process in the United States...

What was what you were describing, can you revisit why the illegal aliens were returning with the money they were paid?...

I can quote the post if you would like to refresh your memory...

['Zona Stona]

Actually, the NDAA that Obama just signed gives the US military authority to operate on US soil. Posse Comitatus is no longer the law of the land. They should immediately station 50,000 troops on the border from Brownsville to Los Angeles and put a stop to this unarmed invasion.

[Tom9]

Originally Posted by 'Zona Stona

Actually, the NDAA that Obama just signed gives the US military authority to operate on US soil. Posse Comitatus is no longer the law of the land. They should immediately station 50,000 troops on the border from Brownsville to Los Angeles and put a stop to this unarmed invasion.

Wow! When did he do that?

['Zona Stona]

Originally Posted by Tom9

Wow! When did he do that?

New Years Day... Section 1021 allows the US military to operate on US soil, allows them to arrest American citizens and hold them indefinitely without lawyer or court. In other words, Posse Comitatus is gone, right along with habeus corpus.

While I think this is reprehensible, I also believe that if the military can operate as police on US soil and arrest citizens, they can certainly arrest illegal border jumpers.

[tinman01]

Its a shame that we can deploy our military to protect anyone and everyone around the world, but to use them to protect our own borders and our own citizens is questionable. Every citizen killed by an illegal, raped by an illegal, victimized by an illegal is a crime that could have been prevented. They are crimes that should have been prevented. The notion that some how illegals make our crime go down or lack of illegals place us at greater risk is a flat out misrepresentation of facts. We can only hope that with troops returning from Iraq that a few thousand will be deployed to our border to work with the border patrol.