Immigration concerns take back seat (Ron Paul, Huckabee, illegal, American)

[ProLogic]

Originally Posted by Greatday

PL - you do not know what is going on in the real world - nor should you at your age

You don't know about the medical clinics that have had to close because of illegal immigrant healthcare and not getting paid

You don't know about the vast overcrowding of schools because of illegal immigrant children

You don't know about the cost to a State like AZ of over 1 Billion Dollars of taxpayer monies to pay for social services for illegals

You do not know real world PL

Relax - someday you will

You don't either! No one knows whats going on everywhere. If your worried about how much AZ spends on illegals, I live in California and the number you just said. Mulitply it by god knows how many times. The illegals on welfare? They can only get money for their legal American children. vast overcrowing in schools? I live next to a city that has a predominantly Hispanic population and a very large illegal population. 1 elementary school has been shut down and the reason wasn't because of over crowding. See? No one may ever get to know the real world. You say these things because you are older than me, you do not know everything! I don't know everything and I know that!

[Synopsis]

If there's any more talk of killing people, I'll shut this thread down. You have been warned. Also, name calling or taunting someone by using another version of their name is not allowed. Debate the topics folks. I realize arguments can be frustrating but I HAVE to enforce the Terms of Service. If anyone needs to brush up on these Terms of Service, below is a link. I will abide by these very strictly from this point forward; that means no more warnings - infractions will be issued and points will be deducted to anyone that violate the TOS.

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[Greatday]

Originally Posted by ProLogic

You don't either! No one knows whats going on everywhere. If your worried about how much AZ spends on illegals, I live in California and the number you just said. Mulitply it by god knows how many times. The illegals on welfare? They can only get money for their legal American children. vast overcrowing in schools? I live next to a city that has a predominantly Hispanic population and a very large illegal population. 1 elementary school has been shut down and the reason wasn't because of over crowding. See? No one may ever get to know the real world. You say these things because you are older than me, you do not know everything! I don't know everything and I know that!

PL - I know far more than you - far, far more.

Arizona law, effective Jan 1, provides that no state funded welfare benefits will be paid to anyone unless they can provide proof of legal residency (including immigration if necessary). Minor children cannot qualify for state funded welfare. Period.

Later this year, childred will have to provide proof of legal residency (including immigration if necessary) to be enrolled in school.

Medical clinics in Arizona and California have been closed because they can no longer afford to treat patients, a high percentage of which were illegal immigrants, and not get paid for their services.

The employer sanctions law is now in effect - and many illegals, and their families are leaving the United States. Employers are firing illegals. They are hiring those here legally.

Yes PL - I do know more than you. I work with our legislature. I have been on the border. I am a taxpayer. I am well informed.

Illegal immigration is a major issue PL.

[blacknight04]

Originally Posted by Greatday

PL - I know far more than you - far, far more.



Later this year, childred will have to provide proof of legal residency (including immigration if necessary) to be enrolled in school.

Current law governing undocumented students’ access to public elementary and secondary education is founded on the Supreme Court’s 1982 decision in Plyler v. Doe. At issue in the case was a Texas statute, enacted to discourage illegal immigration in Texas, that barred undocumented children from public elementary and secondary education.

The Court ruled that such a law was unconstitutional, stating, “children can neither affect their parents’ conduct nor their own undocumented status.” (457 U.S. 202)

The Court’s justification was based on the Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution, which states that equal protection must be guaranteed to all persons under the jurisdiction of the state. Because the Constitution does not limit these protections to citizens, the equal protection clause applies to all individuals residing within U.S. borders, regardless of citizenship status. The Court ruled that while the equal protection clause does not protect illegal immigrants from certain measures to discourage illegal immigration, like deportation, it does protect children of illegal immigrants, who are not responsible for their position or status, from measures that deprive them of basic rights.

The Court further determined that the education of minor children was among the basic rights that could not be denied

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That law in your post is going to be ruled unconstituitional.

[Greatday]

Originally Posted by blacknight04

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That law in your post is going to be ruled unconstituitional.

Sorry, wrong

[blacknight04]

Originally Posted by Greatday

Sorry, wrong

How am i wrong? The supreme court has already ruled that it is unconstituitional to deny K-12 education to illegal immigrants.

[AmericanPatriot1]

If you really want to know what is going on in the cost of California, watch this symposium with TJ Bonner, Rep. Bilbray, and others on the cost of illegal immigration. These are just local issues and you can multiply them thousands of times over. Once this hits every state and community, THEN TELL ME ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION ISN'T AN ISSUE. The real slogan is "Coming to your neighborhodd soon."

Enforcement First in the Illegal Immigration Debate


Give yourself time to watch the whole thing.

[Greatday]

Originally Posted by blacknight04

How am i wrong? The supreme court has already ruled that it is unconstituitional to deny K-12 education to illegal immigrants.

And that was when?

Apparently you are unaware of the AZ law specifics.

Do you agree with the fact that those who cannot prove legal status being charged a different tuition?

[blacknight04]

Originally Posted by Greatday

And that was when?

Apparently you are unaware of the AZ law specifics.

Do you agree with the fact that those who cannot prove legal status being charged a different tuition?

You are talking about instate tuition. They will be charged out of state tuition if they can't prove legal status BUT they can't be denied admission into colleges or universities.

[Greatday]

Originally Posted by blacknight04

You are talking about instate tuition. They will be charged out of state tuition if they can't prove legal status BUT they can't be denied admission into colleges or universities.

Yep

I won't tell you the "trick" in the new law either - but, I have already given you a hint