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Old 02-12-2015, 05:08 PM
 
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^ ^ And even though the GOP would like to pretend that candidates like Rubio or Cruz represent all "Hispanics", obviously they're not all treated the same!

US embrace of Cuban refugees underscores hypocrisy on immigration
Uh; calling Ted Cruz "Hispanic" ain't honest IMHO. He was born in Canada to an anglo white American mother. Hell; Eamon de Valera, a former president of Ireland about 100 years ago, he'd have MORE claim to being "Hispanic" since he was born in the US and had a Spanish father.
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Old 02-12-2015, 05:38 PM
 
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There is no hypocricy on "immigration". Cubans were under a dictatorship therefore they were granted asylum (even though I disagree with "wet foot, dry foot"). We have no category for asylum because of economic reasons and rightly so. That is the reason that illegal immigration is coming from Mexico, etc. so that disqualifies them for asylum. As a matter of fact Mexicans and other Latinos enjoy the highest quotas for legal immigration into our country by far and that doesn't even count their family reunifications on our soil. There is no discrimination against Mexicans and other Latinos for "immigration" into our country.
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Old 02-12-2015, 08:15 PM
 
Location: On the "Left Coast", somewhere in "the Land of Fruits & Nuts"
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Uh; calling Ted Cruz "Hispanic" ain't honest IMHO. He was born in Canada to an anglo white American mother. Hell; Eamon de Valera, a former president of Ireland about 100 years ago, he'd have MORE claim to being "Hispanic" since he was born in the US and had a Spanish father.
Tell that to "señor" Cruz….

Ted Cruz office calls out NYT for belittling his ethnicity
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Old 02-12-2015, 08:34 PM
 
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None have especially strong bona fides among most Latinos. Indeed, being second-generation white Cuban exiles puts them at odds with the overwhelming majority of Latinos in the United States, who are of mixed race or indigenous descent. Ted Cruz, who is not fluent in Spanish, has been called as Hispanic “as Tom Cruise.” In 2012, an anti-Rubio commercial on Spanish-language TV ended with the tag “No Somos Rubios” — a pun meaning both “We’re not Rubios” and “We’re not blonds” (or whites).
Read more at Ted Cruz office calls out NYT for belittling his ethnicity - Red Alert Politics

From your link.

If that upsets Mr Cruz: tough. He's an anglo white dude through and through, he'll NEVER be counted as a la raza Hispanic. I'm of Irish family: would I be accepted as "Irish" in Ireland, I don't think so. They'll see me as a "plastic Paddy" at best, because the way I roll will always profile me as a Yank in their country.
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Old 02-12-2015, 09:13 PM
 
Location: Kansas
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What I have learned here among "them" is that they have a certain demeanor that makes them stand out. They require someone to come from the back of the store to explain to them why they can't buy a certain product with the WIC voucher. They generally don't make eye contact and for the most part, are generally not very clean. The population here that identifies as Hispanic is about 25% so I get a good viewing of behavior. Another "red" flag is a pitbull with a heavy chain in the front yard. And, my personal non-favorite is the Mexican flag flying in the yard. I truly believe for those of us that deal with illegals in our presence every day that we are not suspecting anyone that speaks Spanish to be an illegal - we know the demeanor. There is just no way to explain this until you have lived it. Two and half years of it and I have had enough!

And, oh, boo-hoo, so someone might think you are an illegal. If it bothers you that they might think that, speak English. You say that when you are with family and friends you speak Spanish? How do they hear you then? And, if they are just in the area, perhaps they think that you are making comments about them. Also, remember when you are speaking that a lot of us had Spanish in high school, enough to get the general drift of your conversation.

I have had friends that spoke both English and another language of their native land and if they were having a conversation in their native language, they switched to English when I arrived as they were taught that it was the polite thing to do. None spoke Spanish though so maybe it is cultural.
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Old 02-12-2015, 09:30 PM
 
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What I have learned here among "them" is that they have a certain demeanor that makes them stand out. They require someone to come from the back of the store to explain to them why they can't buy a certain product with the WIC voucher. They generally don't make eye contact and for the most part, are generally not very clean. The population here that identifies as Hispanic is about 25% so I get a good viewing of behavior. Another "red" flag is a pitbull with a heavy chain in the front yard. And, my personal non-favorite is the Mexican flag flying in the yard. I truly believe for those of us that deal with illegals in our presence every day that we are not suspecting anyone that speaks Spanish to be an illegal - we know the demeanor. There is just no way to explain this until you have lived it. Two and half years of it and I have had enough!

And, oh, boo-hoo, so someone might think you are an illegal. If it bothers you that they might think that, speak English. You say that when you are with family and friends you speak Spanish? How do they hear you then? And, if they are just in the area, perhaps they think that you are making comments about them. Also, remember when you are speaking that a lot of us had Spanish in high school, enough to get the general drift of your conversation.

I have had friends that spoke both English and another language of their native land and if they were having a conversation in their native language, they switched to English when I arrived as they were taught that it was the polite thing to do. None spoke Spanish though so maybe it is cultural.
Agreed.

Kinda like seeing an anglo white "tweaker" looking person with a beat up old trailer, bunch of junk cars in the yard and a Rebel flag too. Tho the BIG tipoff would be of that dude was a loudmouth and cussing up a storm for no understandable reason. Then MY red flags go up real fast even tho I'm also an anglo white dude.
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Old 02-12-2015, 09:31 PM
 
Location: OCEAN BREEZES AND VIEWS SAN CLEMENTE
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What I have learned here among "them" is that they have a certain demeanor that makes them stand out. They require someone to come from the back of the store to explain to them why they can't buy a certain product with the WIC voucher. They generally don't make eye contact and for the most part, are generally not very clean. The population here that identifies as Hispanic is about 25% so I get a good viewing of behavior. Another "red" flag is a pitbull with a heavy chain in the front yard. And, my personal non-favorite is the Mexican flag flying in the yard. I truly believe for those of us that deal with illegals in our presence every day that we are not suspecting anyone that speaks Spanish to be an illegal - we know the demeanor. There is just no way to explain this until you have lived it. Two and half years of it and I have had enough!

And, oh, boo-hoo, so someone might think you are an illegal. If it bothers you that they might think that, speak English. You say that when you are with family and friends you speak Spanish? How do they hear you then? And, if they are just in the area, perhaps they think that you are making comments about them. Also, remember when you are speaking that a lot of us had Spanish in high school, enough to get the general drift of your conversation.

I have had friends that spoke both English and another language of their native land and if they were having a conversation in their native language, they switched to English when I arrived as they were taught that it was the polite thing to do. None spoke Spanish though so maybe it is cultural.

Good sensible post, spot on. Of course living in Cali, I have a lot of Hispanic friends, however mine do not fit the mold. Hardly any of them speak Spanish, a few, a little bit but not much.

But I know of cases where there are Mexicans who live in the Inland Empire, and some in O.C. that have lived here for over 20 years. Maybe I am crazy, but in that time, I would think, that people no matter where they come from, would learn a few words of English. Am I nuts or what.

I know of some people who have lived here for that long, and the wife and husband, or wife, or the husband, in certain families, don't speak any English. It is sort of a pain. Now the kids, do know English and translate to their Parents or Parent. It really is a pain in a lot of ways. Mostly when your shopping, and people do not speak English.

When my Great Grandparents, and my Grandparents, and Father came to this Country from Italy, all legal and with pride. They made sure they learned English, that was first on the agenda, besides working. And when around other people who did not understand Italian, they spoke English, they felt that was the right thing to do. I taught myself Italian, and know it better then some of my Hispanic friends, who do not speak Spanish.

And if someone thinks someone is an illegal, if so offended, maybe they should come to this Country legally!
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Old 02-12-2015, 09:33 PM
 
Location: San Francisco Bay Area
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True enuff, and the "anti-illegals" folks claiming that it has nothing to do with "speaking Spanish" are simply being disingenuous (or worse), since it's pretty unlikely they'd ever assume a yiddish-, russian-, french-, or german-speaking person in this country is an "illegal"?!
If you are living in California, the chances are high that those who came here illegally have no reason or desire to learn English. Why should they? Spanish is our second language. Those who immigrated here legally from anywhere in the world are generally anxious to learn English.

As the older generations die off, there will be less native languages spoken in the homes. I haven't heard the phrase "from the Old Country" in a long time.
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Old 02-12-2015, 09:37 PM
 
Location: San Francisco Bay Area
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California-Jewel, I cannot hit the positive rating button enough to thank you for so succinctly explaining what I was trying to do in my post. You are right on, fellow Californian!
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Old 02-12-2015, 11:36 PM
 
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And, oh, boo-hoo, so someone might think you are an illegal. If it bothers you that they might think that, speak English. You say that when you are with family and friends you speak Spanish? How do they hear you then? And, if they are just in the area, perhaps they think that you are making comments about them. Also, remember when you are speaking that a lot of us had Spanish in high school, enough to get the general drift of your conversation.

I have had friends that spoke both English and another language of their native land and if they were having a conversation in their native language, they switched to English when I arrived as they were taught that it was the polite thing to do. None spoke Spanish though so maybe it is cultural.
I do speak English, quite fluently too I might add. If people think I might be making comments about them in Spanish, then they have serious insecurity problems (and you do too, for even bringing that up). While we're on that topic, how about people that whisper, no matter what the language? I hate when people whisper, how do I know they're not talking about me? I can't hear them, and they don't want to be heard. See how ridiculous that sounds? There is no difference between me speaking Spanish, and people whispering behind my back.

So if a lot of people took high school Spanish, and can get the general drift of my conversation, then what' the problem of me speaking Spanish? I mean, since you (in general) already know it, then I have no problem being understood and people will know I'm not talking about them. Problem solved, right? Considering that you stated the problem is I might be making rude comments towards others. But, if everyone understands, then it's not an issue.

I switch to English when someone wants to join in on my conversation, like my non-Spanish speaking friends. But, if no one comes in, then I continue on in Spanish. What's the problem?
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