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Old 02-17-2015, 12:57 PM
 
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I've lived in areas with a lot of illegal and areas with few illegals. Where there are few illegals, I see Americans working fast food, construction and landscaping. The man who mowed my lawn was an American as were the handymen I hired to make repairs.

In areas that are flooded by illegals, I see these same jobs taken by illegals. It's supply and demand of wages. It's not hard to understand and if you're honest you won't pretend that isn't what's happening. If there are people coming from another country who are willing to take a couple dollars less per hour, there will always be someone willing to hire them IF they can get away with it. IF they know that there is no real threat of fines.

There may be some jobs that few Americans are interested in. But that's not were most illegals are working. They are working jobs that Americans want. They are working construction and hospitality jobs. They are undercutting the wages, so that the jobs are no longer available to Americans to make a living wage.
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Old 02-17-2015, 01:01 PM
 
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This is the illegal immigration forum and it is typical of the pro-illegals to call illegal aliens plain ole "immigrants". It is also typical of them to claim that they are doing jobs Americans won't do. If a job is only seasonal (and just what job might that be?) of course Americans don't want that they want full employment year around. The only seasonal job I can think of is crop picking and for that there are unlimited H-2A visas for legal, foreign workers. Year around jobs like landscaping, construction, restaurant, hospitality jobs, housekeeping, etc. Americans have always done but illegal aliens have flooded those markets by working for less. They nor legal immigrants are superior to American workers no matter what you are claiming.

About 40 years ago, my mom's first adult job was a hotel housekeeper. She was able to make a modest living wage. It's sad that today Americas who are starting out or don't have the aptitude to do more skilled work, simply don't have the same option of supporting themselves.
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Old 02-17-2015, 04:42 PM
 
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About 40 years ago, my mom's first adult job was a hotel housekeeper. She was able to make a modest living wage. It's sad that today Americas who are starting out or don't have the aptitude to do more skilled work, simply don't have the same option of supporting themselves.
Agreed and HOW!

I'm really starting to think there's a direct link to more Americans above 50 years old on disability and the high numbers of illegal aliens here in the US compared to 40 years ago. Many employers prefer the illegals because they can be screwed over without fear of them squawking. Try that with a US citizen, even 1 who's not all there in the head or body, and it can get real ugly for that crooked employer once it hits the courts.
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Old 02-17-2015, 05:14 PM
 
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We need to eliminate illegal immigrants. We start by making it impossible for them to make a living in this country. This means that we need to stop hiring illegal immigrants.

OP, can you provide details on the "link" between a job shortage and immigration? The article did not refer to a study saying any such thing.
What if instead of returning to their countries, these illegal immigrants find illegal ways of making money, for example, robbing others?
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Old 02-17-2015, 05:35 PM
 
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What if instead of returning to their countries, these illegal immigrants find illegal ways of making money, for example, robbing others?
That wouldn't be real smart because THAT would turn almost ALL Americans against illegal aliens. That would def give LE everywhere as well as US vigilante groups "probable cause" to profile and, possibly hurt innocent people. That's what would scare me; the hurting of innocents, illegals I don't care about anymore.
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Old 02-17-2015, 05:49 PM
 
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Articles on the economic side have suggested that the cost of the strong dollar has been about 5 million jobs over the last years. Combine that with the offshoring of Apple et al and there is ten million jobs gone.

That would indicate bigger problems than illegal aliens.
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Old 02-17-2015, 05:51 PM
 
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Obviously when there are millions of illegal aliens in our country willing to work for less that creates a job shortage for Americans especially when they are doing jobs that Americans have always done. That's asking to prove if the sky is blue. I don't have the studies at hand but it was stated that most new jobs have gone to "immigrants" also.

It isn't "we" that hires illegal aliens but the greedy employers and the average Joe cheapskate. Most Americans don't hire them. E-verify would put and end to these illegal hiring practices but some legislators refuse to mandate it. Even in the Senate bill it wouldn't take affect until 5 years after it passed and wouldn't make those already on a payroll pass it. We need to elect officials that will make sure that e-verify is the law of the land.

Many would be able to survive without working if they have an anchor or two or more to collect welfare thru and live more than one family in a household. E-verify would be a good start though.
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Old 02-17-2015, 05:54 PM
 
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Obviously when there are millions of illegal aliens in our country willing to work for less that creates a job shortage for Americans especially when they are doing jobs that Americans have always done. That's asking to prove if the sky is blue. I don't have the studies at hand but it was stated that most new jobs have gone to "immigrants" also.

It isn't "we" that hires illegal aliens but the greedy employers and the average Joe cheapskate. Most Americans don't hire them. E-verify would put and end to these illegal hiring practices but some legislators refuse to mandate it. Even in the Senate bill it wouldn't take affect until 5 years after it passed and wouldn't make those already on a payroll pass it. We need to elect officials that will make sure that e-verify is the law of the land.
You are ignoring the fact that other mechanisms are having a huge impact particularly on the good American manufacturing jobs.
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Old 02-18-2015, 12:07 AM
 
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Every job that Ive seen that an immigrant has, an American wouldnt do. I know that for a fact, because I hire them.
We all know how lazy Americans are, they simply don't want to do the hardest work, been that way since colonial times! With exceptions!

Yes, around 1840, 2 million starving Irish arrived here, and they all but told the hard-working Blacks back then: Move out of the way! We're taking your jobs away!

And they did! No job was beneath them! Even emptying chamber pots!

Even the Germans, Brits, and the French were scared of the Irish, fearful they'd take their jobs away too, work for less!

But there were limits! The Irish, not accustomed to the heat, no, you wouldn't find them picking cotton in the south! Let the hard-working blacks do that!

And what were the Irish back then? Legals? Illegals?

And what about the other flood of immigrants that poured forth afterwards, the Polish, the Italians? Legals? Illegals?
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Old 02-18-2015, 06:05 AM
 
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Unless we start punishing who hiring them it is not going happen because benefits politicians and business owners.
Perhaps start with closing the borders andgo from there. When the borders opened in Europe aside from the thing most kids liked to stop at the border, showing your passport and having that kind of scary feeling of the border patrol looking into the car if everything is ok, which also had a very special feeling of entering a total different country and after they were eliminated it was just crossing without noticing much then the sign "welcome to Belgium" or whatever country you entered.

The years thereafter the flood of illegals started to come and now with the extremist and the attacks it is time to close the borders over there ASAP.

The same should be done over here. Why going through all the hoops of getting all your papers and paying all the fees to get here if you can get a DL while coming here through the backdoor Sioux payment for the fees and being checked.

Tourist can't get a DL other then for the time frame of their I-94 being valid but illegals get it for way longer so why the hassle of claiming to be legal if this is how the government is doing it for the people this president feels so sorry for and we don't have a clue who they are!
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