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Old 02-26-2015, 03:57 AM
 
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The Roman Catholic bishop of Tucson, Arizona, Gerald Kicanas, warned lawmakers in Washington, D.C., to change their tone when discussing immigration or risk losing the support of millions of Catholic faithful.

“I must say up front that the U.S. bishops continue to be concerned with the tone on Capitol Hill toward immigrants

Bishop of Tucson to U.S. Congress: 'No person is illegal in the eyes of God' | Fox News Latino

I'm beside myself with this fool. I was raised "Catholic" and, this kind of talk WILL drive me further from the church.
As it should.

If they want to get involved with politics, they effectively become a business and should lose their tax exempt status.

Secondly, why are bishops even be asked to testify on this issue? What is the relevancy? Sound bite perhaps?
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Old 02-26-2015, 07:04 AM
 
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As it should.

If they want to get involved with politics, they effectively become a business and should lose their tax exempt status.

Secondly, why are bishops even be asked to testify on this issue? What is the relevancy? Sound bite perhaps?
Remember when the president of Mexico testified in congress about illegal immigration? It's the same thing. Our government is allowing outside forces to dictate our immigration laws and policies to us. It is truly mind boggling.
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Old 03-05-2015, 06:01 AM
 
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Bah! Even heaven has boundaries and a gate.
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Old 03-05-2015, 06:27 AM
 
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We don't guide ourselves by G-d's law, we guide ourselves by human law.

Illegals should be treated with compassion, as in treat them with dignity and respect...make sure that they have food to eat and clothes to wear, and that they are not put into dangerous or unhealthy situations while in our custody...but they do need to be deported.
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Old 03-05-2015, 10:26 AM
 
Location: a nation with hope
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We don't guide ourselves by G-d's law, we guide ourselves by human law.

Illegals should be treated with compassion, as in treat them with dignity and respect...make sure that they have food to eat and clothes to wear, and that they are not put into dangerous or unhealthy situations while in our custody...but they do need to be deported.
Outstanding.
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Old 03-05-2015, 05:46 PM
 
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We don't guide ourselves by G-d's law, we guide ourselves by human law.

Illegals should be treated with compassion, as in treat them with dignity and respect...make sure that they have food to eat and clothes to wear, and that they are not put into dangerous or unhealthy situations while in our custody...but they do need to be deported.
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Outstanding.
Agreed.
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Old 03-06-2015, 12:35 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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If you subsidize predators and parasites, do not be surprised when they proliferate at the expense of others.
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Old 03-16-2015, 09:11 PM
 
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I hope its intended more in the allegorical than political vein. After all, are not Religion and Politics separated by a vast gulf of theory and practical application? And in the US by an express desire for formal separation.
Religion is man's relationship with god. And politics is man's relationship with Man.

Given that there are many different faiths, and the US is a secular country there can be no religious "authority" regarding man's relationship with man.

Perhaps the Bishop meant it more as an expression of the universality of godly love for Man (that it knows no borders or political boundaries). If so, he probably could have been more clear. Because otherwise it does come off as a political statement essentially denying the idea of political associations but more specifically, nations (Which do have borders and the political authority granted by their association members to set the terms for membership in the association and presence on the associations property)

My observation is that the religious are often influenced to act politically - to get politically involved and to propagate their religious teachings through the political process. This is the precise reason that the Founders aimed to establish a secular political association (ie, government).

So I feel that the Bishop's statement should either be clarified - or repudiated.
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Old 03-16-2015, 09:17 PM
 
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We don't guide ourselves by G-d's law, we guide ourselves by human law.

Illegals should be treated with compassion, as in treat them with dignity and respect...make sure that they have food to eat and clothes to wear, and that they are not put into dangerous or unhealthy situations while in our custody...but they do need to be deported.
Why not repel them before they gain access to our territory? Exclusion fencing and armed guards with orders to shoot trespassers would be effective deterrents. Instead we make illegals comfortable...this is exactly the problem - its why they come. Because life is more comfortable once in the US, than outside the US.

Let's change that. Let's make life here miserable for them (or impossible - ie, you won't exist here at all if you're shot on the border).

Extreme? Perhaps...but then again, the stakes are just as high for us as if we'd been invaded by a real army. Perhaps even far worse in the long run , because we could rid ourselves of a real invasion. The illegal invasion is so insidious that it threatens our political association and self-determination. Literally the invaders are hijacking our political process and using the weaknesses revealed by "compassionate treatment" to gain the foothold and presence to do it...like termites, they will eventually cause so much damage to the structure that it will collapse.

Best to nip it in the bud NOW. Before we have passed the point of no return.
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