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Old 04-01-2015, 07:21 PM
 
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In 1982, the Supreme Court decided that all students, regardless of their immigration status, were guaranteed a K-12 education. But the Court's decision did not extend to higher education. This has led to a situation where every year, of the at least 122,600 undocumented seniors in the country's high schools, only around 2,000 are expected to graduate with a college degree.

Denying Higher Education to Undocumented Students is a Roadblock to Future Economic Growth*|*Zenen Jaimes Pérez

Def time start denying ANY kid who ain't at least a legal alien any kind of tax paid education.

Too; most of those college educated illegals ain't employable anyway.
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Old 04-01-2015, 07:34 PM
 
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In 1982, the Supreme Court decided that all students, regardless of their immigration status, were guaranteed a K-12 education. But the Court's decision did not extend to higher education. This has led to a situation where every year, of the at least 122,600 undocumented seniors in the country's high schools, only around 2,000 are expected to graduate with a college degree.

Denying Higher Education to Undocumented Students is a Roadblock to Future Economic Growth*|*Zenen Jaimes Pérez

Def time start denying ANY kid who ain't at least a legal alien any kind of tax paid education.

Too; most of those college educated illegals ain't employable anyway.
Well, that depends.

The Federal government uses no tax money to issue grants and financial aid. The Federal government is monetarily sovereign; it pays all its bills ad hoc, by spending.

State governments are not monetarily sovereign; they rely on tax dollars for funding.

The catch - undocumented immigrants often contribute to state services, by paying taxes.

I vote yes to allowing undocumented immigrants an education. They are either going to be educated here or somewhere else. Denying them doesn't help us.
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Old 04-01-2015, 07:39 PM
 
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In 1982, the Supreme Court decided that all students, regardless of their immigration status, were guaranteed a K-12 education. But the Court's decision did not extend to higher education. This has led to a situation where every year, of the at least 122,600 undocumented seniors in the country's high schools, only around 2,000 are expected to graduate with a college degree.

Denying Higher Education to Undocumented Students is a Roadblock to Future Economic Growth*|*Zenen Jaimes Pérez

Def time start denying ANY kid who ain't at least a legal alien any kind of tax paid education.

Too; most of those college educated illegals ain't employable anyway.
"Undocumented" students?
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Old 04-01-2015, 09:25 PM
 
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Well, that depends.

The Federal government uses no tax money to issue grants and financial aid. The Federal government is monetarily sovereign; it pays all its bills ad hoc, by spending.

State governments are not monetarily sovereign; they rely on tax dollars for funding.

The catch - undocumented immigrants often contribute to state services, by paying taxes.

I vote yes to allowing undocumented immigrants an education. They are either going to be educated here or somewhere else. Denying them doesn't help us.
I vote those illegal aliens get their 3 hots and a cot THEN deportation from the US with a 10 year or longer ban on then even setting foot on our soil. If they try to set foot here again; then it'll be felony charges with a few years in prison.
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Old 04-01-2015, 09:30 PM
 
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I then it depends. I don't support giving them breaks or assistance but if they can afford it and it's a situation like they came here as kids then fine. Otherwise no.
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Old 04-02-2015, 08:13 AM
 
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I'm fine with them going to college as long as they do it the legal way: student visa and foreign student tuition rates.

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Old 04-02-2015, 10:01 AM
 
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I then it depends. I don't support giving them breaks or assistance but if they can afford it and it's a situation like they came here as kids then fine. Otherwise no.
They need to go back to their home countries then and apply for student visas to come back legally. I really don't care that they were brought here as kids. Their parents shouldn't be rewarded for it by allowing them to stay here and jump in front of the line of those who are applying from their own countries.
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Old 04-02-2015, 10:25 AM
 
Location: Southeast, where else?
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In 1982, the Supreme Court decided that all students, regardless of their immigration status, were guaranteed a K-12 education. But the Court's decision did not extend to higher education. This has led to a situation where every year, of the at least 122,600 undocumented seniors in the country's high schools, only around 2,000 are expected to graduate with a college degree.

Denying Higher Education to Undocumented Students is a Roadblock to Future Economic Growth*|*Zenen Jaimes Pérez

Def time start denying ANY kid who ain't at least a legal alien any kind of tax paid education.

Too; most of those college educated illegals ain't employable anyway.
Denying them student aid and any set asides is simply protecting the home team and in that, I don't see a problem. Imagine any of us going to a foreign country and sucking down their benefits DEMANDING tuition aid, etc.....it is my understanding that in Mexico, you only get a government education to the 6th grade...after that, you or your family has to pay. Same for secondary.

I would seriously doubt you could/would get any assistance from most countries being documented let alone undocumented. Check it out. We have a welcome mat. They have guns and guard dogs.

Not advocating we assault them but, we can't support everyone. Just not enough money despite what the Democrats think......sooner or later, you WILL run out of OTHER people's money and I think we have pretty much reached that point.

Want to go to secondary education? Great, pay for it. WITHOUT our help. Candidly, if they are undocumented, send them home. Save the seat for a kid in the US who needs an education, too? It seems we will go to no ends to help the undocumented while we leave our own behind. Why?

Oh, that vote thing....yeah....the Democrats dream. Why build anything long lasting like the US economy when you can pawn it off for a mere 5,000,000 new "voters" legal and otherwise. You know, sometimes "change" ISN'T good and this is a perfect example. Meanwhile, some kid sitting in some small town can't get to those schools (those that wish to anyway and those that have worked hard to get there) because of the seats currently
occupied by illegals.

So much for building a patriotic america. Starting to look more and more like the Village People 2.0 and not so coordinated at that. Just know that in about 20-30 years when the hispanics are paying an enormous share of the taxes they WILL switch to a very Republican fabric.

Why? Because they, unlike some, work. Hard. And when THEY have to pay for the growing lazy, inane, inept, incompetent who can quote SSA, Welfare, Social Assistance, WIC, SLIC, EBT etc chapeter and verse they will turn on them wholesale.

Importing new votes for Democrats is a temporary solution. Wait until they start paying the tax load. They will work very, very hard to oust those that provided cover as their current generation took over the trades. Talk about selling your constituents down the river.
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Old 04-02-2015, 03:16 PM
 
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They need to go back to their home countries then and apply for student visas to come back legally. I really don't care that they were brought here as kids. Their parents shouldn't be rewarded for it by allowing them to stay here and jump in front of the line of those who are applying from their own countries.
I'm all for deporting the parents, no questions asked. I was just thinking of those in very small cases and no they shouldn't jump in front of other foreign students.
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Old 04-02-2015, 03:18 PM
 
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I'm fine with them going to college as long as they do it the legal way: student visa and foreign student tuition rates.

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I don't believe they should get student rates. They should pay what foreign students pay.
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