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Old 04-14-2015, 12:06 PM
 
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By their ethnicity. They can be a "black Canadian" or an "Irish Canadian" or a mixed Canadian etc.
Again,"Black" is not an ethnicity.

If you are going to call someone "black" then you cannot call anyone "Irish" or "Italian", only "white." Asians will then have to be "white/yellow/brown/black" based on color, not "Korean, Chinese, Indian etc."

 
Old 04-14-2015, 03:59 PM
 
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You don't even know what you are talking about, at least in terms of Mexicans. Mexicans are not settlers- most have roots to this land. European(Spanish) invaders arrived and added to the formation of the Mexican identity. Even the word Mexican has roots in the Mexica people, who are native to the Southwest US/Mexico. So what are you talking about?

And you want to call yourself Italian American, but create some convuluted reasoning to be suspicious of Mexican-Americans and Dominican-Americans calling themselves that? How ridiculous can this be....
 
Old 04-14-2015, 04:12 PM
 
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It is impossible to be of Mexican descent. Mexico is a new world settler colony, same with the Dominican Republic. Someone of Dominican parentage is not a Dominican American, they are a black/mixed American. Your heritage is what counts

I don't respect people who get the benefits of America without identifying as American.
Mexico was not a 'new world' settler colony. The city of Tenochtitlan(Mexico City) was a huge, well organized city with an established culture including science, poetry, agriculture, and many other things. Actually, it was more advanced in many aspects compared to European cities at the time. This is where corn, tomatoes, chocolate, vanilla and many other things were agriculturally produced.

You need to learn your history before you refute something, it really weakens your already poor and biased point.
 
Old 04-14-2015, 04:14 PM
 
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Clearly you don't understand the definition of ethnicity.

"Black" is not an ethnicity or a heritage, it is a color. NO ONE was "black" until being brought to the Western Hemisphere and having their actual ethnic identities stripped from them. Ethnic identities are Yoruba, Ibo, Hausa, Akan, Ewe, Kongo...over 45 different ethnicities. Please don't attempt to speak about and rename those ethnicities and heritages about which you have no earthly clue.

In the case of Dominicans, Mexicans and every other ethnic group from the West. They formed new and unique cultures our of their experiences here in the U.S. You don't get define their identity just because your nation of origin has been around longer. Last time I checked, people of these origins identify as Mexican-American, Dominican-American, Cuban-Americans...acknowledging their nationality and country of descent.
He is very confused with many things.
 
Old 04-14-2015, 04:33 PM
 
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Why identify oneself by two nationalities? If you are a citizen of this country you are simply an American. Now one can call themselves a white or black American for example because that simply denotes what race and nationality one is and race and nationality are two different things and each of us are of a particular race "and" nationality.
 
Old 04-14-2015, 04:54 PM
 
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Why identify oneself by two nationalities? If you are a citizen of this country you are simply an American. Now one can call themselves a white or black American for example because that simply denotes what race and nationality one is and race and nationality are two different things and each of us are of a particular race "and" nationality.
This is the American way- the US is a country that has historically separated and categorized people based on race and ethnicity. Its a part of its social fabric.

Now people complain about the categories because groups have embraced them.
 
Old 04-14-2015, 04:59 PM
 
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I am totally confused by OP. She says if you are an American citizen that you are an American and that is it. Here at our house, we are all Americans because we are citizens of America but that doesn't mean we have given up our identification of our ancestors. We are white, that is our race. Race: How many major races are there in the world? So, this would my DIL, mongoloid - race, ethnicity - Filipino, American - citizenship. A lot of people think Asian is a race which it is not.

So long as there are here legally, they can call themselves whatever they want!
 
Old 04-14-2015, 05:45 PM
 
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I am totally confused by OP. She says if you are an American citizen that you are an American and that is it. Here at our house, we are all Americans because we are citizens of America but that doesn't mean we have given up our identification of our ancestors. We are white, that is our race. Race: How many major races are there in the world? So, this would my DIL, mongoloid - race, ethnicity - Filipino, American - citizenship. A lot of people think Asian is a race which it is not.

So long as there are here legally, they can call themselves whatever they want!
Actually, Asian is a race on the U.S. census. The racial catagories are white, black or African-American, American Indian or Alaska native, Asian, Native Hawaiian or Pacific Islander.

No one is saying one has to give up their ancestoral roots. That's not possible anyway but we are talking nationality here and if you are a U.S. citizen you are an American, period regardless of where your ancestors hailed from.

I already stated in another post that stating one's race along with their nationality is not incorrect.

Yes, people can call themselves anything they want but that doesn't make it so. I just have a problem when people identify themselves by two different nationalities. In other words a hyphenated American.

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Old 04-14-2015, 07:49 PM
 
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Mexico was not a 'new world' settler colony. The city of Tenochtitlan(Mexico City) was a huge, well organized city with an established culture including science, poetry, agriculture, and many other things. Actually, it was more advanced in many aspects compared to European cities at the time. This is where corn, tomatoes, chocolate, vanilla and many other things were agriculturally produced.

You need to learn your history before you refute something, it really weakens your already poor and biased point.
Uh; there was NO "Mexico" till after the people there kicked Spain out 200 years ago, that land there was called "New Spain" or something like that. Too; what's now Mexico City is only a tiny part of Mexico in 2015.
 
Old 04-14-2015, 10:29 PM
 
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Why identify oneself by two nationalities? If you are a citizen of this country you are simply an American. Now one can call themselves a white or black American for example because that simply denotes what race and nationality one is and race and nationality are two different things and each of us are of a particular race "and" nationality.
Why is it fine for him to call himself an Italian-American but yet he has a problem with Dominican-American or Mexican-American?

Additionally, those are more than nationalities. They are ethnic groups/cultures.
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