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Old 03-16-2008, 12:33 AM
 
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I'm fairly certain the word was 'escuela'... It means 'school'.
Bravo!!!!!!

 
Old 03-16-2008, 12:45 AM
 
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Hence the '(sp)' after the word in question; I was not 100% sure of the spelling either.
Yeah, it's a little hard to make a point when we have problems with spelling, I understand.
I'm not surprised with all the Spanish influnce in our country, after all Spanish
has been present in the United States for more than 100 years before english, Juan Ponce de Leon established the first city in the United States in the early 16th century(St. Augustine, FL), Jamestown and the pilgrims arrived over 100 years latter, by that time the Spanish had spread in the south, explored the Mississipi, and had settlements in Texas, Arizona, California, etc., centuries before the wild west "conquest". Spanish will always be an integral part in the United States.
 
Old 03-16-2008, 12:59 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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Yeah, it's a little hard to make a point when we have problems with spelling, I understand.
I'm not surprised with all the Spanish influnce in our country, after all Spanish
has been present in the United States for more than 100 years before english, Juan Ponce de Leon established the first city in the United States in the early 16th century(St. Augustine, FL), Jamestown and the pilgrims arrived over 100 years latter, by that time the Spanish had spread in the south, explored the Mississipi, and had settlements in Texas, Arizona, California, etc., centuries before the wild west "conquest". Spanish will always be an integral part in the United States.
Big effing deal, is there a point you're trying to make?
 
Old 03-16-2008, 01:09 AM
 
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Big effing deal, is there a point you're trying to make?
Yes, the point is that Spanish has been an important part of our culture for a long time, nothing else.
 
Old 03-16-2008, 07:44 AM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Yes, the point is that Spanish has been an important part of our culture for a long time, nothing else.
Not really; aside from 4-5 states; few people in this country speak Spanish.

Besides: the cold reality is that outside of Latin America and Spain; Spanish is not a significant language whereas English is the lingua franca of the world.

Hell; more people may speak (Mandarin) Chinese than English, but most of those speakers are concentrated in China.

As for this ESL crap: I am 100% against it-------people here legally need to be forced to learn English or they will be ostracized by reality. The only time I can see using any language outside of English in official business here in the USA is for public health and safety concerns.
 
Old 03-16-2008, 08:04 AM
 
Location: In a house
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The whole arguement it silly.
You can speak any language you want but official things should be limited to English. I havent read thru the entire thread but the truth is we cant cater to one immigrant group & igonre the others.
I get notices in Spanish all the time from my childrens schools, but no French, Portuguese, Italian, Greek, Arabic, Russian, Polish, Indian, Pakistani, Chinese, Japanese, Vietnamese, Hundi or anything else.

My grandparents came here & had to learn English to live. They spoke Italian in the homes & among other Italians but didn't expect others to learn it. They didn't suffer because my dads school couldn't speak Italian. They owned buisnesses & didn't require Italian speakers for employees. A handful still run Italian resturants & hire English speaking people without a hitch.
My great grandmother was the only one that never spoke English but not because the country made concesions for her. She just stayed in the family group, never drove or worked. If she wanted a job she woulda learned English.

Theres nothing wrong & everything right about having pride in your heritage. But theres nothing right about expecting a forien population to learn YOURS when you move to their country.

I'm not interested in hearing about how long the Spanish were in tiny corners of our country in miniscule populations. I live in New England, people spoke the Algonquin language here for a thousand years before Columbus was born. Should we use it in official paperwork?
 
Old 03-16-2008, 08:09 AM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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The whole arguement it silly.
You can speak any language you want but official things should be limited to English. I havent read thru the entire thread but the truth is we cant cater to one immigrant group & igonre the others.
I get notices in Spanish all the time from my childrens schools, but no French, Portuguese, Italian, Greek, Arabic, Russian, Polish, Indian, Pakistani, Chinese, Japanese, Vietnamese, Hundi or anything else.

My grandparents came here & had to learn English to live. They spoke Italian in the homes & among other Italians but didn't expect others to learn it. They didn't suffer because my dads school couldn't speak Italian. They owned buisnesses & didn't require Italian speakers for employees. A handful still run Italian resturants & hire English speaking people without a hitch.
My great grandmother was the only one that never spoke English but not because the country made concesions for her. She just stayed in the family group, never drove or worked. If she wanted a job she woulda learned English.

Theres nothing wrong & everything right about having pride in your heritage. But theres nothing right about expecting a forien population to learn YOURS when you move to their country.

I'm not interested in hearing about how long the Spanish were in tiny corners of our country in miniscule populations. I live in New England, people spoke the Algonquin language here for a thousand years before Columbus was born. Should we use it in official paperwork?
BRAVO!

My father is an immigrant from Hungary and he learned English------to the point that he used that language in his line of work writing scripts for overseas broadcast by the VOA.
 
Old 03-16-2008, 08:14 AM
 
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My ancestors came her from jolly ole Wales in England.
Im no more a Welshman nor and English man following the Crown than I am a bird.
My ancestors came here in 1756 to fight the french. They stayed, the French didnt.
Hell, the last time I listened to a real Welshman speak I was goin........Huh??? after every third syllable...........They speak english very funny over there.
 
Old 03-16-2008, 12:47 PM
 
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Not really; aside from 4-5 states; few people in this country speak Spanish.

Besides: the cold reality is that outside of Latin America and Spain; Spanish is not a significant language whereas English is the lingua franca of the world.

Hell; more people may speak (Mandarin) Chinese than English, but most of those speakers are concentrated in China.

As for this ESL crap: I am 100% against it-------people here legally need to be forced to learn English or they will be ostracized by reality. The only time I can see using any language outside of English in official business here in the USA is for public health and safety concerns.
Yeah, sure, Spnanish is hardly spoken in the U.S. lol !!!, even the young generations realize the importance of Spanish and over 50% of all middle and high school take Spanish, if you have hungarian or whatever other insignificant eastern european heritage you would not expect it to be part
of our culture, however like I mentioned above, Spanish has been an important part of the culture in the U.S. for more than 100 years than english, not only that it is expected to grow significantly in the next few decades.
 
Old 03-16-2008, 01:16 PM
 
Location: So. of Rosarito, Baja, Mexico
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Am retired in Baja Mexico. I have to speak some spanish in order to communicate. Crossing the border on going to the BANK, the teller spoke to me in SPANISH. NO WAY do I look Hispanic. So I said to him in SPANISH " In Mexico it is neccessary for me to speak SPANISH, in the USA I speak ENGLISH" He apoligized to me. One hr later a grocery cashier spoke to me in SPANISH. I replied to her the same way as I did to the Bank Teller. She also apoligized to me. I was not looking for any apoligy, only to be addressed to in ENGLISH which the last time I looked at the CONSTITUTION it was written in ENGLISH. We do not need multiple languages to be spoken inorder to complete every day common business purchase transactions. Stefhen
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