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Old 01-19-2008, 11:24 AM
 
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What I am proposing is creating an addendum to our current legal immigration system. If you haven't noticed, most LEGAL citizens that come here are generally poor and "not paying much in taxes" either. The system that the Mayor proposed, from what I read, is designed to give those illegals who made a ONE TIME mistake the opportunity of PROVING that they are, as you call it, " motivated to become Americans and they contribute a great deal to our society".
It is not a one time mistake. A one-time mistake is crossing the border illegally or over-staying a visa.

A second mistake is committing felony document fraud to use a stolen social security number. A third mistake is working here illegally. A fourth mistake is giving birth as a way to circumvent the laws of this country. A fifth mistake is using that anchor baby to get food stamps and free health care.

First way to correct their mistakes -- stop thinking that because they broke the laws that they are entitled to be moved ahead of all those who have already applied to come here legally, return home and start over -- the right way this time.

And yes -- if they were holding a job, then that job just might have to be filled by someone who has already started the legal process long ago.

No illegal should expect that they must be rewarded and moved ahead of the line. There are all kinds of people throughout the world that have already filed their forms and are waiting and waiting. Breaking the laws should get you nothing.
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Old 01-19-2008, 11:32 AM
 
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And the "path to legalization" is designed to find the handful of people who may have been unfortunate to have status of "illegal" but are still wishing to be "self-reliant, hard working" immigrants who believe in self-responsibility.

It is clear by now that your image of any Mexican is someone who leeches off the system, does not work at all, and wants to turn America into the next Mexico. While it is true there are such miscreants (as there are our own citizens who quit their jobs to have babies to get subsidies from the Government), what I'm saying is that those who are willing to prove their sincerity despite crossing the border should be given a chance.
You are never going to be able to sort out the good from the bad while they are in this country. You see, back when Comprehensive Scamnesty Reform was on the table the thing that really blew alot of people right out of the tub was the 'No Felons Left Behind' clause. That was because according to the clause, in order to stay in the US indefintely all a known gang member had to do was sign a statement that he was no longer a gang member and bingo!- he was in! If we should adopt this proposal of yours, every time someone decides that an illegal alien should not be considered for citizenship, let's say he is a known hatchet murderer for instance, La Raza, LULAC and MALDEF will begin screaming racism and discrimination and the ACLU will let loose it's hordes of lawyers. They will talk about this guy like he is Mahatma Ghandi himself. The end result will be that no one will be sent out of the country and everyone will end up staying, irrespective of whether they will contribute anything to US society or not. If you have lived here any amount of time, you will know that this is true.
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Old 01-19-2008, 11:34 AM
 
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Please go read the original thread. It is not a plan to grant amnesty. It is a plan to give illegals to prove themselves to earn legal citizenship.
Yes, Senator McCain.
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Old 01-19-2008, 01:53 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Not bad........but you forgot the part about how the gringo stole your land.
Starting with Cortez?
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Old 01-19-2008, 06:13 PM
 
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That's because once people actually sit down and think about the situation clearly and rationally and look at all the viable options, they realize that deporting 12-20 million illegals from this country is completeley unrealistic and the only real alternatives are (a) keep them in the shadows or (b) legalization. Which is better? Hard to say. But deportation is not a realistic option

Besides, someone has to mow Mitt Romney's grass and serve the champagne and caviar at the Romney mansions, so of course deporting them is out of the question.
Deportation of all kinds is very realistic, because it can be done. We should not believe otherwise.
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Old 01-19-2008, 06:16 PM
 
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I don't think the "path to legalization" is necessarily granting asylum but rather giving them the chance to do things "legally". To set things straight and actually become a decent, tax-paying citizen so to speak. I think the process should be strict and structured and definitely not a guarantee to legalized status.

Oh and Arizona, my parents and I emigrated here legally (one on work visa and the other on student visa) and I don't really feel like its a slap to the face at all. An exception doesn't make the rule, I understand, but I really think those who vehemently oppose a method of finally teaching illegals how to do things the "right" way are simply anti-immigrants.
A path to legalization or amnesty or citizenship...means that they will get to stay here and Americans are making it clear they do not want that ever.
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Old 01-19-2008, 06:35 PM
 
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A path to legalization or amnesty or citizenship...means that they will get to stay here and Americans are making it clear they do not want that ever.
Most americans are okay with it from most polls i've seen.
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Old 01-19-2008, 06:51 PM
 
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i guess we will see with the election if most americans are okay with it, because you can't trust any poll. different pollsters have different agendas, but america votes!
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Old 01-19-2008, 06:52 PM
 
Location: Greater Houston
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It's better that they integrate into the system instead of being treated as pariahs because their place of birth is undesirable. Can you imagine how many cars with Californian license plates would be in Texas because the County Accessor-Collector will not accept their transfer because they are not Texans? Then the dumba-ses would have the gall to scream "You're breaking the law! You're breaking the law! Get out you invaders! Deport them! Deport them!"
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Old 01-19-2008, 06:57 PM
 
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It's better that they integrate into the system instead of being treated as pariahs because their place of birth is undesirable. Can you imagine how many cars with Californian license plates would be in Texas because the County Accessor-Collector will not accept their transfer because they are not Texans? Then the dumba-ses would have the gall to scream "You're breaking the law! You're breaking the law! Get out you invaders! Deport them! Deport them!"

They wouldn't be treated as pariahs because of their place of birth. They should be treated as criminals because of their criminal conduct, and under no circumstances be awarded with a path to legalization. They are criminals and should be treated as such.
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