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Old 05-18-2015, 07:53 AM
 
Location: Florida
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We are against birthright citizenship for babies born from illegal alien parents not those here legally. I think that was quite apparent from the remarks being made in here and that this is the illegal immigration forum.
So what do you say to the son or daughter of Benjamin Franklin who was born in the USA? You are illegal?
Are all black Americans illegal too? They were brought here against their will by slavery.
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Old 05-18-2015, 08:01 AM
 
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So what do you say to the son or daughter of Benjamin Franklin who was born in the USA? You are illegal?
Are all black Americans illegal too? They were brought here against their will by slavery.
What are you talking about? Who is questioning the birthright citizenship of the descendants of Benjamin Franklin or the descendants of black slaves? Why are you starting a non-sensical argument now? The subject is the about whom is considered to be a birthright citizen in context with the intent of the 14 Amendment and illegal aliens.
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Old 05-18-2015, 08:20 AM
 
Location: St Louis, MO
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Again, ridiculous!

My paternal grandparents were granted citizenship courtesy of the Jones Act. Why would any of their descendants be denied American citizenship?

So, people whose ancestors came on the Mayflower before there was a US would be subject to your ridiculous idea? How about Native American Indians whose ancestors came here from Asia when there was no US?
Those are all naturalized groups. The descendants of every single one of those groups would received citizenship. The only ones who wouldn't would be those who are the descendants of anchor babies.
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Old 05-18-2015, 08:32 AM
 
Location: Jamestown, NY
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US Constitution, Amendment 14:
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All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
Apparently all the great Constitutional scholars who've posted on this thread and in the Republican Party somehow missed this.

These hearings are nothing more than grandstanding by the bigots brigade to show the bigots at home that their reps in Washington are "trying" but that "Obama" and the "*******s" are thwarting them. Great use of tax revenues, GOPers.
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Old 05-18-2015, 08:38 AM
 
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US Constitution, Amendment 14:


Apparently all the great Constitutional scholars who've posted on this thread and in the Republican Party somehow missed this.

These hearings are nothing more than grandstanding by the bigots brigade to show the bigots at home that their reps in Washington are "trying" but that "Obama" and the "*******s" are thwarting them. Great use of tax revenues, GOPers.
That law NEEDS to be changed to stop birthright for any US born kid unless at least 1 parent's a US citizen. MOST decent countries stopped birthright citizenship way back in the day, it's def time for us to follow suit.
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Old 05-18-2015, 09:23 AM
 
Location: Florida
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US Constitution, Amendment 14:


Apparently all the great Constitutional scholars who've posted on this thread and in the Republican Party somehow missed this.

These hearings are nothing more than grandstanding by the bigots brigade to show the bigots at home that their reps in Washington are "trying" but that "Obama" and the "*******s" are thwarting them. Great use of tax revenues, GOPers.
Thank You for pointing out the obvious.
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Old 05-18-2015, 10:05 AM
 
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US Constitution, Amendment 14:


Apparently all the great Constitutional scholars who've posted on this thread and in the Republican Party somehow missed this.

These hearings are nothing more than grandstanding by the bigots brigade to show the bigots at home that their reps in Washington are "trying" but that "Obama" and the "*******s" are thwarting them. Great use of tax revenues, GOPers.
What you should have highlighted instead of "jurisdiction" is the word "and" subject to...... instead. I already posted a lengthy explanation under this topic of what "and" subject to the jurisdiction meant/means. Desiring that children of illegal aliens not be deemed birthright citizens has nothing to do with bigotry. It is an incentive for them to come here and it is costing us dearly in tax dollars. Not to mention that it makes a mockery out of our citizenship that foreigners can just jump our borders or fly in here to have a so-called U.S. citizen. Fighting for this change IS a great use of our tax revenues when you factor in what it is costing us by the status quo of this ridiculous "practice" that isn't even backed by our Constitution in the first place.
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Old 05-18-2015, 06:55 PM
 
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What you should have highlighted instead of "jurisdiction" is the word "and" subject to...... instead. I already posted a lengthy explanation under this topic of what "and" subject to the jurisdiction meant/means. Desiring that children of illegal aliens not be deemed birthright citizens has nothing to do with bigotry. It is an incentive for them to come here and it is costing us dearly in tax dollars. Not to mention that it makes a mockery out of our citizenship that foreigners can just jump our borders or fly in here to have a so-called U.S. citizen. Fighting for this change IS a great use of our tax revenues when you factor in what it is costing us by the status quo of this ridiculous "practice" that isn't even backed by our Constitution in the first place.
Oldglory---I couldn't have said it better myself. If I could rep you, I would.

How many times do we have to explain this about the 14th until it sinks in with some people?
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Old 05-18-2015, 07:21 PM
 
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Oldglory---I couldn't have said it better myself. If I could rep you, I would.

How many times do we have to explain this about the 14th until it sinks in with some people?
Thank you, but as you said it will fall on deaf ears for those with an "agenda".
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Old 05-18-2015, 07:41 PM
 
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US Constitution, Amendment 14:


Apparently all the great Constitutional scholars who've posted on this thread and in the Republican Party somehow missed this.

These hearings are nothing more than grandstanding by the bigots brigade to show the bigots at home that their reps in Washington are "trying" but that "Obama" and the "*******s" are thwarting them. Great use of tax revenues, GOPers.
Uh, yeah. And we think that this needs to be changed, there, "scholar." Because it has deleterious consequences.
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