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Let me just observe the political aspects of this.
Let's assume it passes the House. There will be a lot of controversy for sure. Republicans simply do not have the votes to overcome the guaranteed Democratic filibuster. But let's say there is a miracle and the Senate passes the law. Obama will absolutely veto, and there is simply not enough vote to override the veto. If Obama loses his mind and sign the bill by mistake, there will be a SCOTUS case, which will rest on the "jurisdiction thereof" language in the 14th Amendment, and therefore the opponents of the law will have yet another bite at the apple.
We all know, procedurally speaking, there is no way that a Constitutional amendment of this ilk can ever be made.
So, what's the point? Pandering to the extreme right is fine, but you already had them at hello. They wouldn't vote Democratic no matter what any way.
Meantime, you would absolutely lose the Latino votes (and Asian votes), with some exceptions, for good. Doing something like this says they are not welcome in this country, even if they are citizens. Like Maya Angelou said, "I won't remember what you did, but I will remember how you made me feel." What happened to the Big Tent? With minority population exploding and white population stagnant, you may never see the White House in your lifetime.
Please give it a shot. It would be fun to watch with popcorns.
I repeat again neither Rubio or Cruz were anchor babies but I wouldn't vote for either of them regardless.
Where do these guys get this stuff? Left Wingers will throw anything against the wall to make it stick. Actually Democrats / Liberals can be accused of Racism because many Left Wingers assume Rubio was Illegal and Cruz was a Anchor Baby with not even checking. Or worse yet making up claims as they go to discredit Conservative Candidates the pose a real threat to the DNC.
I repeat again neither Rubio or Cruz were anchor babies but I wouldn't vote for either of them regardless.
In reality you are correct:
Cruz got his automatically because at least one of his parents was a US Citizen, just like the President, except that the President was born in the USA.
Rubio because hos parents were Cubans, and after all they are a protected bunch of Hispanics, they get special treatment since all they have to do is set foot on US soil and bang they are fast tracked to Citizenship. That means hos parents did not need his birth to fast track their way to Citizenship, they had special status. Now if his parents had been from Mexico or from any Central or South American country we would label him as exactly that.
So, what's the point? Pandering to the extreme right is fine, but you already had them at hello. They wouldn't vote Democratic no matter what any way.
Meantime, you would absolutely lose the Latino votes (and Asian votes), with some exceptions, for good. Doing something like this says they are not welcome in this country, even if they are citizens. Like Maya Angelou said, "I won't remember what you did, but I will remember how you made me feel." What happened to the Big Tent? With minority population exploding and white population stagnant, you may never see the White House in your lifetime.
Mick
Poppycock! (And I'm being nice here by using that term!)
I'm half Latina and anyone who votes to end the whole anchor baby/birth tourism fiasco, be they democrat or republican, will have my vote. Everyone in my family is an American citizen and trust me on this, none of us will be made to feel unwelcome in this country
And again, no politician on either side of the aisle should be pandering to lawbreakers and those who aid and abet them.
This may surprise you but there are dems who dislike the whole anchor baby/birth tourism fiasco and want it to end.
You are apparently unaware that the Hispanic voting bloc amounts to 10% of the population---and not all of them vote democrat. Plus, with any group, you have those who don't vote at all. In other words, the Hispanic vote doesn't amount to a hill of beans.
I hope you're being sarcastic. If you're serious; that'd probably cut off almost all American "Indians" too since most of them have some after "1492" blood in their families.
Read what I said again... you have to have _one_ naturalized ancestor, not _all_ naturalized ancestors. This should not affect that many people, but everyone must have _proof_ for at least one ancestor.
WTH are you talking about? If a naturalized citizen gives birth on our soil there is nothing in the Constitution that denies their offspring birthright citizenship.
Of course not. I am saying that _only_ naturalized citizens and their offspring should be citizens though. If no one in your family ever naturalized, if everyone gained citizenship solely by being born on American soil, then you lose your citizenship and become a permanent legal resident.
Let me just observe the political aspects of this.
Let's assume it passes the House. There will be a lot of controversy for sure. Republicans simply do not have the votes to overcome the guaranteed Democratic filibuster. But let's say there is a miracle and the Senate passes the law. Obama will absolutely veto, and there is simply not enough vote to override the veto. If Obama loses his mind and sign the bill by mistake, there will be a SCOTUS case, which will rest on the "jurisdiction thereof" language in the 14th Amendment, and therefore the opponents of the law will have yet another bite at the apple.
We all know, procedurally speaking, there is no way that a Constitutional amendment of this ilk can ever be made.
So, what's the point? Pandering to the extreme right is fine, but you already had them at hello. They wouldn't vote Democratic no matter what any way.
Meantime, you would absolutely lose the Latino votes (and Asian votes), with some exceptions, for good. Doing something like this says they are not welcome in this country, even if they are citizens. Like Maya Angelou said, "I won't remember what you did, but I will remember how you made me feel." What happened to the Big Tent? With minority population exploding and white population stagnant, you may never see the White House in your lifetime.
Please give it a shot. It would be fun to watch with popcorns.
Mick
Wait a minute here. Why would Hispanic and/or Asian citizens be opposed to changing birthright citizenship? How would it not be welcoming to them? They're already here and their babies are automatic citizens at birth by virtue of them being citizens themselves. As for legal immigrants of either of those ethnicities it isn't about them. It's about parents who are here illegally giving birth on our soil. It's not an extreme right issue nor is it a white issue. It's an American issue. I see, so unless we agree to give our citizenship away like candy to the spawn of lawbreakers "we" (whoever that is) will never see the White House again? WTH? Doing what is right for our own citizens is wrong these days?
Of course not. I am saying that _only_ naturalized citizens and their offspring should be citizens though. If no one in your family ever naturalized, if everyone gained citizenship solely by being born on American soil, then you lose your citizenship and become a permanent legal resident.
Again, ridiculous!
My paternal grandparents were granted citizenship courtesy of the Jones Act. Why would any of their descendants be denied American citizenship?
So, people whose ancestors came on the Mayflower before there was a US would be subject to your ridiculous idea? How about Native American Indians whose ancestors came here from Asia when there was no US?
Where do you think the money would come from to implement this absurd idea of yours? And how would you make anyone comply?
I hope this passes. Birthright citizenship is an unmitigated disaster.
Actually it's not! My parents came here legally and I was born in the US? What citizenship should I hold in your opinion?
Am I a American citizen or not?
Actually it's not! My parents came here legally and I was born in the US? What citizenship should I hold in your opinion?
Am I a American citizen or not?
We are against birthright citizenship for babies born from illegal alien parents not those here legally. I think that was quite apparent from the remarks being made in here and that this is the illegal immigration forum.
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