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Old 01-23-2008, 06:10 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Too the public perception of 'Irish' people has also changed---------the Notre Dame 'Fightin' Irish' logo notwithstanding.

Whenever I think of a modern Irishman; coffeehouses and Clannad come to mind-------not drinking and fighting anymore.
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Old 01-23-2008, 06:13 PM
 
Location: Colorado
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I have to disagree. I think (like Mach 50 said) the Civil War DID accelerate the assimilation of the Irish. Also their centuries-long subjugation at home by the British, under which about HALF the early-day Irish learned English--(a big help here). I believe the early day Irish WANTED to assimilate because they had no choice. No one here offered them the option to "stay Irish". They were PRESSURED into assimilating---so they did. I think the "natives" DID have problems with the Irish, who were very much disliked and feared upon their arrival.

But society was different then. The 'dislike' and 'harshness' the Irish ran into, ensured their assimilation. They assimilated in order to gain society's 'approval'. They saw no other option.

Today, we DON'T push assimilation--it's a 'choice". Assimilating is "OK" ,but so is NOT assmilating. Since assimilation is difficult, and 'citizenshp' is no longer seen as 'important', it's easy to see that some modern immigrants just look at it as 'no big thing', and choose NOT to assimilate.
My families diaries clearly stated how they Longed to be wanted and be Americans. Thats why they came here, to be Americans, for a second chance in life. it talked about the journey to America and the excitement. it also discussed the pure sadness by their treatment. I had family in the civil war as well. Funny thing, the diary was written half in Gaelic and half in English.
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Old 01-23-2008, 06:58 PM
 
Location: Helena, Montana
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My mother and father own a farm in South Florida, she rarely ever leaves it. If she does well, she lives in South Florida where everyone speaks Spanish. Truly no need to learn English, plus with work and raising her kids she really never had time.

But she assimilated in every other way, it is not like she is walking around with a sombrero selling mango's on a stick.
That's the problem. Much of the country, especially border states, Spanish speakers are so catered to that they never even try to learn English, then Americans are discriminated against in the job market for not speaking Spanish. Doesn't really make sense to me.
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Old 01-23-2008, 06:59 PM
 
Location: Helena, Montana
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I married a man of Viking decent, he always wonders why there is nothing for him!! I always joke back that I don't think Horned hats and pilliging is a club!!!
My entire family are members of Sons of Norway, that's about as close as you're going to get.
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