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Old 01-25-2008, 12:10 PM
 
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[quote=Arizona Bound;2619725]stop allowing anchor babies automatic citizenship.. would greatly reduce the numbers all on thier own, once word gets out that they NO LONGER can sneak over and spit-out thier automatic citizen baby.

Continue the building of our border fence.. will take time.. but better than not building it all all!

Then when illegals are picked up.. THEN return them over the fence. it will take some time.. but many will get deported as time goes on and the numbers will get reduced.

Keep a secure watch of the border and fence.

After some time.. and after the costs and burden on the American tax payers decreases due to the above reasons.. some tax dollars can then be allocated to beef-up the deportation process and so-on...

Since the problem of anchor babies, and the problem of illegals sneaking across our border is not getting any better.. but worse.. we have to start somewhere. Billions are spent each and every year on illegals.. a huge burden! No it will not give relief overnight to American tax payers.. but just by changing the automatic anchor baby citizen law in itself.. would create a huge reduction of illegals in a very short time.. Think about the huge, gigantic amount of American tax dollars that it takes by way of healthcare alone in anchor babies, then on to welfare, foodstamps, free housing and so-on! Yes they will still sneak over.. BUT the big number one difference will be NO MORE automatic citizenship.. just because they chose to illegally sneak across to have that baby!

Finish the border fence.. secure watch on the border.. no more automatic citizenship anchor babies to illegal mothers.. slowly but surely we will get OUR country back!

Start with the border closing.. (fence).. then anchor-babies...
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Old 01-25-2008, 02:11 PM
 
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Let me ask you something, golfgod.

If Al Qaeda announced that millions of Muslims were on their way into the US, via the southern border, would we throw our hands in the air and say, "Oh, well. We can't stop them."

Nothing is unworkable. Your rebuttals fail to realize that political climates change. Without a shift in political opinion, yes, you are correct. However, as evidenced by state and local legislative action, the tide is shifting. The American people can be pushed only so far. We're now pushing back. There will always be a breaking point, such as that we'd experience with the hypothetical terrorist invasion mentioned above. Once we've arrived at that breaking point, the people cease to care about how an action is accomplished, just as long as results are realized. I think we're now approaching that point.
I can see it now... we spend billions of $s securing the southern border and then they fool us and come in via Canada. Just one question - What is our breaking point that will enforce border security to the level that we think is required to control our borders? I thouht 9/11 would have been it but it obviously wasn't. So what is our breaking point and what is the priority - illegal immigration or anti terrorist measures?
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Old 01-25-2008, 02:19 PM
 
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I can see it now... we spend billions of $s securing the southern border and then they fool us and come in via Canada. Just one question - What is our breaking point that will enforce border security to the level that we think is required to control our borders? I thouht 9/11 would have been it but it obviously wasn't. So what is our breaking point and what is the priority - illegal immigration or anti terrorist measures?
You apparently missed the point. As I stated, Al Qaeda was a hypothetical. The point can be found in the first sentence of the third paragraph.
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Old 01-25-2008, 02:24 PM
 
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The only real reason we've had trouble clearing up the situation in Iraq is that we've gotten too scared of being "bad wicked imperialists" to do a real clean job of it. Can you imagine WWII being fought and won under the political restrictions our soldiers currently face? Shoot to kill.

Same applies to immigration. If the people are really serious about getting the situation cleared up, they're going to have to get hardened, refuse to let the wealthy bleeding-heart tastemakers at the NYT dictate that the situation must be handled with kid gloves, and get to work.

It's not lack of manpower or resources. It's political obstruction from the upper classes. We really all just need to turn off the TV and quit letting them dictate the terms of the debate.
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Old 01-25-2008, 04:55 PM
 
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It's really very simple.

Build the damned fenced.
Force employers to verify workers ID with the system already in place.
Hold employers accountable for hiring illegals.
End funding to sancutary cities.
Elect Mitt Romney to enact the above plan. Watch the illegals self deport........Bye, bye.
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Old 01-25-2008, 05:04 PM
 
Location: Fort Worth/Dallas
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I can see it now... we spend billions of $s securing the southern border and then they fool us and come in via Canada. Just one question - What is our breaking point that will enforce border security to the level that we think is required to control our borders? I thouht 9/11 would have been it but it obviously wasn't. So what is our breaking point and what is the priority - illegal immigration or anti terrorist measures?
So the millions of people coming over from South of the border for work in the US will somehow beam themselves into Canada and cross the border there?

Who said to only increase border security along the Southern border. I am an advocate of both borders being secured.

The reason that the borders haven't been secured since 9/11 isn't because Americans wish otherwise. That failure is on one George "Dubya" Bush entirely.

As far as billions to secure the border, so what? We are losing billions and billions a year due to wages being driven and social services decimated by this influx of illegal immigrants anyway? So we sit by and do nothing?

I hate this type of "no-can-do" attitude. It's defeatist and does nothing toward solving problems.

And by the way; about priorities regarding sealing border and anti-terrorism - sealing the borders would accomplish both..
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Old 01-26-2008, 10:26 AM
 
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The solution is simple, just not easy. Because we have gutless wonders cluttering up the DC area.

1. Enforce immigration laws.

2. Give each state supreme powers to get rid of illegals in any way they can.

3. Build that fence, ALL the way across!

4. Send ALL anchor babies home with their parents (south of the border that is).

5. Deputize any citizen willing to volunteer to escort them south of the border.

6. Boats, buses, planes--lots of them, for transport. Big tax cuts for those who lend their vehicles to US for this purpose.

7. Get the military on the border, and yes we have plenty of them, they are just not in the right place. Give Border Patrol FULL authority to shoot anything that moves, without repercussions.

8. Free Ramos and Campeon and put them in charge.

9. Minimum 10 year sentence for anyone who hires an illegal.
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Old 01-26-2008, 11:06 AM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Start with employer sanctions laws-------and, enforce 'em. That alone would eliminate 70-90% of the illegals and their Anchor Babies.

Anchor Babies: change the law pertaining to them; read that starting, say July 1st, 2008 any child born after that date assuming that both parents are/would be illegal here in the USA would not qualify for birthright citizenship. As for the Anchors born June 2008: grandfather them in......they would be allowed back into the USA (or can be left with friends/family here legally) on their 18th birthdays------the burden of proof would be on them.

Strengthen our southern border (the Canadian border I am not that concerned about) and authorize our BP agents to carry out 'shoot to kill' orders.
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Old 01-26-2008, 11:11 AM
 
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Me:

Start with employer sanctions laws-------and, enforce 'em. That alone would eliminate 70-90% of the illegals and their Anchor Babies.

Anchor Babies: change the law pertaining to them; read that starting, say July 1st, 2008 any child born after that date assuming that both parents are/would be illegal here in the USA would not qualify for birthright citizenship. As for the Anchors born June 2008: grandfather them in......they would be allowed back into the USA (or can be left with friends/family here legally) on their 18th birthdays------the burden of proof would be on them.

Strengthen our southern border (the Canadian border I am not that concerned about) and authorize our BP agents to carry out 'shoot to kill' orders.
You are on the right path!!!
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Old 01-26-2008, 11:25 AM
 
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To Arizona Bear and Arizona Bound; your idea of;

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Start with employer sanctions laws-------and, enforce 'em
Is the one truly WORKABLE but completely unfeasible idea. Please re-read my original post. People that HIRE other people have MONEY, people with MONEY give that MONEY to POLITICIANS. People who give money to politicians have pull with those pols. Hence, the politicians are NOT going to have their money folks put in jail.

This is the (second) most basic rule of politics. The first rule is to get re-elected, which takes money, which leads to why this (despite being the only workable idea) is unfeasible.

To the poster who said the problem with our military in Iraq being that they're not allowed to shoot to kill anyone and everyone (I'm paraphrasing, but you know what you wrote), I would suggest you read up a little bit on COUNTER-INSURGENCY WARFARE. The US Army field manual on such would be a great place to start.

Unfortunately our military didn't study counter-insurgency until they had been involved in one for about 3 years. A basic rule of counter-insurgency is that THE PEOPLE ARE THE PRIZE, not the target.

And BTW, yes, lots of innocent civilians were killed by American and Allied Forces during WWII, seldom was that intentional. Our military has always had a firm policy against indiscriminate killing of civilians.

People who spout the kind of "kill em all and let god sort it out" nonsense sound like the kind of drugstore cowboys that Bush and Cheney are. I hope you're not a combat veteran, you sure don't sound like one.

golfgod
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