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Old 09-08-2015, 04:08 PM
 
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Thanks for finding a video of this amazing lady! I know at government meetings, people aren't supposed to cheer or clap but she got a loud round of applause---and she deserved it!
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Old 09-08-2015, 04:32 PM
 
Location: Kansas
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Thanks for finding a video of this amazing lady! I know at government meetings, people aren't supposed to cheer or clap but she got a loud round of applause---and she deserved it!
I was happy to find it! And, for those that have "racial issues", when you look at the audience please note the "rainbow" of different colors.

IF we would just follow the 14th Amendment as written, the anchor would not be a citizen but the woman would still have stolen free medical care from the taxpayers. If she isn't paying, a bill needs to go to HER government. It makes me so mad because I have seen people really scrimping even when both have jobs just to afford the medical bills for delivery of a citizen baby by a a citizen couple.
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Old 09-08-2015, 04:33 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Well, we don't want to change our laws.

Other countries that had birthright citizenship changed their laws.
But not us..no, no, no.

So get those wallets ready.
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Old 09-08-2015, 04:41 PM
 
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RIO GRANDE CITY, Texas The mother arrived at the hospital in need of an emergency cesarean section, saying she had crossed the border to run an errand in town, not so her baby would be born an American citizen.
She assured the doctor that she arrived at the hospital just “because (she) was here.”
Dr. Rolando Guerrero listened skeptically. “They always have a story,” he said after delivering her 8-pound boy, Dylan.


Doctors in town on Texas border witness complex


All the MORE reason to stop birthright unless at least 1 parent's a US citizen. Especially of talking about scammers like this woman.



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Simply deport with all due speed and expedite the process! It has been done before!
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Old 09-08-2015, 05:00 PM
 
Location: Kansas
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Well, we don't want to change our laws.

Other countries that had birthright citizenship changed their laws.
But not us..no, no, no.

So get those wallets ready.
I still say we don't need to change the laws: The 14th Amendment to the United States Constitution - Fourteenth Amendment - anchor babies and birthright citizenship - interpretations and misinterpretations - US Constitution and Did Congress ever confer citizenship on anchor babies? - NetRight Daily

I am trying to get one of my US Senators to explain why anchors are considered legal based on those 2 links. He will never answer.
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Old 09-08-2015, 05:06 PM
 
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The errand was to collect benefits for her anchor baby at the expense of the sucker U.S. taxpayers.
LMAO. You got that right. What a country!!!!!
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Old 09-08-2015, 05:10 PM
 
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There's a long legal history of the 14th Amendment and U.S. Citizenship Law. Anchor babies were never Constitutionally nor legally intended to be granted birthright U.S. citizenship. It's only current politically expedient "policy" to do so anyway...
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Time again to post the long legal history on this and/or refresh everyone's memory...

The children of illegal aliens born in the U.S. were never intended to have birthright citizenship. This is how we know...

1) The 14th Amendment and it's original intent:

Senator Trumbull: "The provision is, that ‘all persons born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens.’ That means ‘subject to the complete jurisdiction thereof.’ What do we mean by ‘complete jurisdiction thereof? Not owing allegiance to anybody else. That is what it means."

Congressional Record:
http://memory.loc.gov/ll/llcg/073/0000/00152893.tif

Trumbull's role in drafting and introducing the Civil Rights Act of 1866 and the 14th Amendment:
https://web.archive.org/web/20100304...about/history/

Children born in the U.S. to a foreign citizen parent whose country has jus sanguinis (right of blood) citizenship law were never supposed to be born U.S. citizens. They may choose to naturalize as a U.S. citizen at some point, but they were never intended to be U.S. citizens at birth. Only those ignorant of historical fact and the Congressional Record misinterpret the 14th Amendment to mean anything else.

2) Article XXV Section 1992 of the 1877 Revised Statutes, enacted after the 14th Amendment, which clarified exactly who are U.S. citizens at birth per the Constitution:

"All persons born in the United States and not subject to any foreign power, excluding Indians not taxed, are declared to be citizens of the United States".

Revised Statutes of the United States, Passed at the First Session of the ... - United States

3) U.S. Secretaries of State determinations as to exactly who has birthright citizenship:

Secretary of State Frederick Frelinghuysen determined Ludwig Hausding, though born in the U.S., was not born a U.S. citizen because he was subject to a foreign power at birth having been born to a Saxon subject alien father.

Similarly, Secretary of State Thomas Bayard determined Richard Greisser, though born in Ohio, was not born a U.S. citizen because Greisser's father, too, was an alien, a German subject at the time of Greisser's birth. Bayard specifically stated that Greisser was at birth 'subject to a foreign power,' therefore not "subject to the jurisdiction of the United States" within the meaning of the Fourteenth Amendment.

Both cases cited in this digest:
A Digest of the International Law of the United States: Taken from Documents ... - Google Books

4) In regards to illegal aliens' anchor babies... Their parents were NOT in the U.S. legally and therefore did NOT have a permanent domicile and residence in the U.S. as did Wong Kim Ark's, a fact on which SCOTUS based their determination that WKA was born a U.S. citizen:

WKA decision:

"The evident intention, and the necessary effect, of the submission of this case to the decision of the court upon the facts agreed by the parties were to present for determination the single question stated at the beginning of this opinion, namely, whether a child born in the United States, of parent of Chinese descent, who, at the time of his birth, are subjects of the Emperor of China, but have a permanent domicil and residence in the United States, and are there carrying on business, and are not employed in any diplomatic or official capacity under the Emperor of China, becomes at the time of his birth a citizen of the United States. For the reasons above stated, this court is of opinion that the question must be answered in the affirmative."

The parents must have a permanent domicile and residence in the U.S. WKA's parents were living in the U.S. legally. Illegal immigrants don't have a permanent domicile in the U.S. because they are in the country illegally. Furthermore, it is a federal offense to harbor an illegal alien in the U.S., or aid or abet in their harboring in the U.S. Illegal aliens' permanent domicile is in their home country; the country which would issue their passports were they to have one.

For political reasons, the 14th Amendment has been bastardized since then, but such bastardization was never an actual Constitutional Amendment.

5) The Indian Citizenship Act of 1924 which had to be enacted because even when Native Americans were born in the U.S., they were not U.S. citizens. Why? Because they were subject to a foreign power (Indian Nations). Note that the 1924 date of this Act is significantly later than both the 14th Amendment and the Wong Kim Ark ruling.

I realize that's a lot of historical information to digest. But sadly, our public education system is such a joke that very few people are aware of the history surrounding the 14th Amendment and how subsequent births to parents of various nationalities were treated in the U.S. up until "policy" (not the Constitution or the law) very recently changed.

There has never been any law passed, similar to the 1924 Indian Citizenship Act, that gives birthright citizenship to anyone born in the U.S. but subject to a foreign power.
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Old 09-08-2015, 05:46 PM
 
Location: Kansas
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There's a long legal history of the 14th Amendment and U.S. Citizenship Law. Anchor babies were never Constitutionally nor legally intended to be granted birthright U.S. citizenship. It's only current politically expedient "policy" to do so anyway...
Any idea on how to get the "word" out on this? I think the government "fleeced" us on this one. I know after you first published that comment, I started "googling" and I was and I am still Thanks for bringing this to my attention. I will keep asking my elected officially to explain this to me.
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Old 09-08-2015, 06:00 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Any idea on how to get the "word" out on this? I think the government "fleeced" us on this one. I know after you first published that comment, I started "googling" and I was and I am still Thanks for bringing this to my attention. I will keep asking my elected officially to explain this to me.
Just keep spreading the info to as many people as you can.
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