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Old 01-31-2008, 07:49 PM
 
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So true. Illegals are exciting over the prospect of a pro-amnesty president in the White House. Hellooo…..we already have a pro-amnesty president in the White House -- and CIR failed –- and it will fail again. The candidates who are advocating amnesty are doing so, simply to garner votes. They are well aware of their limited power. As mentioned – we do not have a dictatorship. Legal U.S. citizens have had enough, and states are now responding. We will NOT accept amnesty!
Plus -- it sure looks like at least many regions of this country are facing recession -- even a serious recession. And the difference between a serious recession a depression is what?

Not many of the illegals are actually here to pick lettuce -- there are not even 2 million total agricultural jobs and illegals hold at best 25% of them.

Many illegals were brought in for the housing industry -- quickly built cheap houses made with cheap labor to be sold for enormous prices with easy credit. That bubble is bursting.

Manufacturing jobs have been sent to Mexico and China, garment industries also. And in recent years job creation has been quite dismal.

 
Old 01-31-2008, 07:50 PM
 
Location: Oklahoma(formerly SoCalif) Originally Mich,
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Just realized that there is a 75% chance that amnesty will be granted to the millions of illegals in 2009. Clinton, Obama and McCain all favor amnesty. Only one who doesn't is Romney and he has no chance so actually it's 95% certain. Happy everyone?
On the contrary.
I seriouly doubt that any new president could stand up there and approve amnesty, even if they wanted to.
There are now too many US Citizen and States against it to were Any President that aproved it would face dire consequeces.
NO,,, whats going to happen is, the Fed's will leave it up to the States.
Make it a Civil matter.
More and more States are loading their shot guns. We have 7 states now.
 
Old 01-31-2008, 07:58 PM
 
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One thing that will stop amnesty from occuring:

The People - the People of the United States of America.

The People OVERWHELMINGLY do not approve of amnesty - and, as was shown recently, when the people get after the Congress - suddenly, was seemed assured, was not -

Amnesty BTW was done before - and, it was a dismal failure.

Also, Amnesty shows total and complete disrespect to those immigrants who came here LEGALLY - Amnesty is nothing more than those here ILLEGALLY thumbing their noses at the LEGAL immigrants -

No, I don't believe Amnesty will occur in 2009 - or 2010, or 11 etc
I agree with everything you said. I hope you are right about amnesty not happening.
 
Old 01-31-2008, 08:12 PM
 
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Just realized that there is a 75% chance that amnesty will be granted to the millions of illegals in 2009. Clinton, Obama and McCain all favor amnesty. Only one who doesn't is Romney and he has no chance so actually it's 95% certain. Happy everyone?
Given the options, we - as a people - raise the ruckus of last year over the issue of immigration -- only LOUDER. And, in the process, pray we have Romney to elect!!
 
Old 01-31-2008, 08:15 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Plus -- it sure looks like at least many regions of this country are facing recession -- even a serious recession. And the difference between a serious recession a depression is what?

Not many of the illegals are actually here to pick lettuce -- there are not even 2 million total agricultural jobs and illegals hold at best 25% of them.

Many illegals were brought in for the housing industry -- quickly built cheap houses made with cheap labor to be sold for enormous prices with easy credit. That bubble is bursting.

Manufacturing jobs have been sent to Mexico and China, garment industries also. And in recent years job creation has been quite dismal.
Not 'Great Depression' level; but a deeper recession than the downturn of ca. 1982--------and, being that the 'blue collar' American workforce has already been pruned, this one will fall disproportionally on the so-called 'white collars' IMHO.
 
Old 02-01-2008, 08:02 AM
 
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Just realized that there is a 75% chance that amnesty will be granted to the millions of illegals in 2009. Clinton, Obama and McCain all favor amnesty. Only one who doesn't is Romney and he has no chance so actually it's 95% certain. Happy everyone?

So did Bush but you saw what happened....NO AMNESTY !
 
Old 02-01-2008, 08:19 AM
 
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nothing will be done. We are in a "catch 22" situation.

I favored the immigration reform bill because the #1 contingent factor was securing our borders. It was only after our borders were secured that the other part of the provisions would kick in.

Do any of you believe congress will ever put the effort,funds, and committment necessary to fully secure our borders if their wasn't something in the bill that they favored?

The failed immigration bill had something in that individuals in congress liked and something in the bill that individuals in congress hated. Thus a compromise.

Unless there is a majority in the Senate,a majority in the House, and a Republican in the white house--------securing the borders w/o some sort of "amnesty" ain't gonna happen.

Thus, those that favor "business as usual" will get their wish come true cuz 10 years from now nothing will be done and we will be talking about 25,000,000 illegals instead of 12,000,000 as we are today.

In my opinion,turning down a compromise and settling for nothing is not gonna solve the problem.
 
Old 02-01-2008, 08:53 AM
 
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states are saying.. NO JOBS to illegals. NO free services to illegals..
the states by themselves can clean house... all we need is EVERY state
to get on board...
 
Old 02-01-2008, 08:59 AM
 
Location: Colorado
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Just realized that there is a 75% chance that amnesty will be granted to the millions of illegals in 2009. Clinton, Obama and McCain all favor amnesty. Only one who doesn't is Romney and he has no chance so actually it's 95% certain. Happy everyone?
If you are from AZ, I need to ask something. I lived in AZ for awhile, saw the problems with illegals. Why is McCain supported there, why is he high in the polls? I never understood that.
 
Old 02-01-2008, 11:12 AM
 
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I believe it will be left to the states. When the federal government did not come through with stopping illegal immigration, the states stepped up - 46 of them so far. Eventually, these bills will be passed.

I don't think the President will have anything to say about it, nor Congress. We stopped the "shamnesty" bill TWICE - it was amazing how the American people came out and said NO. The federal government won't dare do it again, or they'll look like even bigger fools, if that's possible.
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