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Old 02-09-2008, 02:52 PM
 
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I don't think there's anything wrong with learning new languages, but if the kids don't want to learn it. They shouldn't have to.
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Old 02-09-2008, 06:45 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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I think it is disintergrating. A friend of mine said she went to a school program and all the kids had to sing in spanish because we are becoming a minority. What is wrong with this picture.
No joke:

Maybe it is time to make English the official language of this country.

Read that all official government publications in English only with the exception of issues pertaining to public health and safety.
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Old 02-09-2008, 07:30 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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America the disintegrating?

Posted: January 30, 2008
1:00 a.m. Eastern
Whether "America the Beautiful" quickly is becoming "America the Disintegrating," is the top question asked by writer, speaker and columnist Pat Buchanan in his book "Day of Reckoning," the top selection at Shop.WND.com this week.

"Torn apart by a culture war, America has begun to Balkanize and break down along class, cultural, ethnic, and racial lines," he writes. "Free trade is hollowing out U.S. industry, destroying the dollar, and plunging the country into permanent dependency and unpayable debt. One of every six U.S. manufacturing jobs vanished under Bush. The Third World invasion through Mexico is a graver threat to U.S. survival than anything happening in Afghanistan or Iraq…"

Buchanan reveals in his book the true existential crisis of the nation.


WorldNetDaily: America the disintegrating?
The crisis began when the English felt that it was their right to own the land that the native Americans called their home, land that the native Americans had claimed by possession, land that previously belonged to noone. This land was taken from the native Americans unjustly.

It continued when a group of some of the most ignorant, barbaric, and backwards people in the history of mankind felt that it was entitled to invade the great African continent and force those people into slavery. Imagine a mindset that feels that it is justified by one set of human beings to feel that another set of human beings can only be slaves and not worthy of being classified as a whole man. Incredible lunacy here.

The civil war happened and one of the greatest blunders was for these United States to allow the confederate states to resume equal participation in this society with their backwards, vile, and race-obsessed existence. Politically, the minds that favored continued slavery and lived a vile existence should have collectively been given only 1/50th (or some small portion) of the vote. This means that all the confederate states would each individually combine their votes to equal 1/50th of the rest of the nation. It means that vote of those in Congress from these states would collectively count as 1/50th of a vote. That section of the country should've been treated as a third world country because the mindset to keep slavery reflected one as barbaric as that condemned now from the Taliban.

Fast forward to George W. Bush and the Neoconservatism movement. Suddenly, it was fashionable to be a redneck, fashionable to be a country hick from the backwoods, fashionable to be white trash, and fashionable to align oneself with the political party supported by the klan. It was called a "Contract with America." Support a foreign policy that promotes the killing of Arabs, invade sovereign nations unprovoked, send thousands of soldiers to their deaths by lying to go to war, try to force a Democracy on regions of the country that don't want it, unload bombs on defenseless poor countries then act like swaggering thugs, incorporate a military strategy from the dark ages whose only strategic maneuver is to fight an ideology with bigger guns and more and more and more and more and more troops. Domestically, it meant that States must fend for themselves too. Gang violence has skyrocketed. Teen rebellion has skyrocketed. Now there is body, face, tongue, eyelid piercing. The "gothic" look is in and death, blood, torture, and pain have their own youth movements. Looking like a thug is the fashion among young boys and young men. Looking like a **** is the rage among young women. No dignity. Intergity and class are gone among our youth. Britney Spears, that unattractive, no-talent has been made a star and has been harrassed as if she's worthy of the attention. She's pure white trash. TV problems flat out suck and define "low class." Gone are great actors like Gregory Peck, Marlon Brando, and Henry Fonda. Now, we have to put up with people like Owen Wilson and Will Ferrell.

No, America has always been fighting an incredible battle between an incredibly ignorant, divisive faction and one that is enlightened, inclusive, compassionate, and progressive. Maybe one day, it will get right.
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Old 02-09-2008, 08:00 PM
 
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The crisis began when the English felt that it was their right to own the land that the native Americans called their home, land that the native Americans had claimed by possession, land that previously belonged to noone. This land was taken from the native Americans unjustly.

It continued when a group of some of the most ignorant, barbaric, and backwards people in the history of mankind felt that it was entitled to invade the great African continent and force those people into slavery. Imagine a mindset that feels that it is justified by one set of human beings to feel that another set of human beings can only be slaves and not worthy of being classified as a whole man. Incredible lunacy here.

The civil war happened and one of the greatest blunders was for these United States to allow the confederate states to resume equal participation in this society with their backwards, vile, and race-obsessed existence. Politically, the minds that favored continued slavery and lived a vile existence should have collectively been given only 1/50th (or some small portion) of the vote. This means that all the confederate states would each individually combine their votes to equal 1/50th of the rest of the nation. It means that vote of those in Congress from these states would collectively count as 1/50th of a vote. That section of the country should've been treated as a third world country because the mindset to keep slavery reflected one as barbaric as that condemned now from the Taliban.

Fast forward to George W. Bush and the Neoconservatism movement. Suddenly, it was fashionable to be a redneck, fashionable to be a country hick from the backwoods, fashionable to be white trash, and fashionable to align oneself with the political party supported by the klan. It was called a "Contract with America." Support a foreign policy that promotes the killing of Arabs, invade sovereign nations unprovoked, send thousands of soldiers to their deaths by lying to go to war, try to force a Democracy on regions of the country that don't want it, unload bombs on defenseless poor countries then act like swaggering thugs, incorporate a military strategy from the dark ages whose only strategic maneuver is to fight an ideology with bigger guns and more and more and more and more and more troops. Domestically, it meant that States must fend for themselves too. Gang violence has skyrocketed. Teen rebellion has skyrocketed. Now there is body, face, tongue, eyelid piercing. The "gothic" look is in and death, blood, torture, and pain have their own youth movements. Looking like a thug is the fashion among young boys and young men. Looking like a **** is the rage among young women. No dignity. Intergity and class are gone among our youth. Britney Spears, that unattractive, no-talent has been made a star and has been harrassed as if she's worthy of the attention. She's pure white trash. TV problems flat out suck and define "low class." Gone are great actors like Gregory Peck, Marlon Brando, and Henry Fonda. Now, we have to put up with people like Owen Wilson and Will Ferrell.

No, America has always been fighting an incredible battle between an incredibly ignorant, divisive faction and one that is enlightened, inclusive, compassionate, and progressive. Maybe one day, it will get right.
So tell us how you feel.
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Old 02-09-2008, 08:11 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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The crisis began when the English felt that it was their right to own the land that the native Americans called their home, land that the native Americans had claimed by possession, land that previously belonged to noone. This land was taken from the native Americans unjustly.

It continued when a group of some of the most ignorant, barbaric, and backwards people in the history of mankind felt that it was entitled to invade the great African continent and force those people into slavery. Imagine a mindset that feels that it is justified by one set of human beings to feel that another set of human beings can only be slaves and not worthy of being classified as a whole man. Incredible lunacy here.

The civil war happened and one of the greatest blunders was for these United States to allow the confederate states to resume equal participation in this society with their backwards, vile, and race-obsessed existence. Politically, the minds that favored continued slavery and lived a vile existence should have collectively been given only 1/50th (or some small portion) of the vote. This means that all the confederate states would each individually combine their votes to equal 1/50th of the rest of the nation. It means that vote of those in Congress from these states would collectively count as 1/50th of a vote. That section of the country should've been treated as a third world country because the mindset to keep slavery reflected one as barbaric as that condemned now from the Taliban.

Fast forward to George W. Bush and the Neoconservatism movement. Suddenly, it was fashionable to be a redneck, fashionable to be a country hick from the backwoods, fashionable to be white trash, and fashionable to align oneself with the political party supported by the klan. It was called a "Contract with America." Support a foreign policy that promotes the killing of Arabs, invade sovereign nations unprovoked, send thousands of soldiers to their deaths by lying to go to war, try to force a Democracy on regions of the country that don't want it, unload bombs on defenseless poor countries then act like swaggering thugs, incorporate a military strategy from the dark ages whose only strategic maneuver is to fight an ideology with bigger guns and more and more and more and more and more troops. Domestically, it meant that States must fend for themselves too. Gang violence has skyrocketed. Teen rebellion has skyrocketed. Now there is body, face, tongue, eyelid piercing. The "gothic" look is in and death, blood, torture, and pain have their own youth movements. Looking like a thug is the fashion among young boys and young men. Looking like a **** is the rage among young women. No dignity. Intergity and class are gone among our youth. Britney Spears, that unattractive, no-talent has been made a star and has been harrassed as if she's worthy of the attention. She's pure white trash. TV problems flat out suck and define "low class." Gone are great actors like Gregory Peck, Marlon Brando, and Henry Fonda. Now, we have to put up with people like Owen Wilson and Will Ferrell.

No, America has always been fighting an incredible battle between an incredibly ignorant, divisive faction and one that is enlightened, inclusive, compassionate, and progressive. Maybe one day, it will get right.
In one sentence:

Get over it.

The Hispanics; yes, Spaniards are Hispanic along with the English were simply a bigger, badder group of 'Indians' who conquered the indigenous people here.

Besides: the Navajo came here ca. AD 1000 most likely forcing out/subjugating the previous inhabitants in our Southwest------yet, no 'MEChA', etc. group says boo about telling the Navajo to go 'home'.

I am not saying what happened was right--------crap like that has happened everywhere; it is a part of history.

It cannot be undone.

And; if Mexico were to keep pushing its 'reconquista' nonsense; methinks that would likely be the end of that country.

Those boneheads flying the Mexican flag in 2006 at the illegal immigrants' 'rights' protests was a fatal mistake-------and, the repercussions are starting to be felt.

Take a look at both Arizona's as well as Oklahoma's laws dealing with the above lawbreakers and their enablers.
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Old 02-09-2008, 08:17 PM
 
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It continued when a group of some of the most ignorant, barbaric, and backwards people in the history of mankind felt that it was entitled to invade the great African continent and force those people into slavery. Imagine a mindset that feels that it is justified by one set of human beings to feel that another set of human beings can only be slaves and not worthy of being classified as a whole man. Incredible lunacy here.
Care to elaborate on just who this group of ignorant, barbaric and backward people were?

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The civil war happened and one of the greatest blunders was for these United States to allow the confederate states to resume equal participation in this society with their backwards, vile, and race-obsessed existence. Politically, the minds that favored continued slavery and lived a vile existence should have collectively been given only 1/50th (or some small portion) of the vote. This means that all the confederate states would each individually combine their votes to equal 1/50th of the rest of the nation. It means that vote of those in Congress from these states would collectively count as 1/50th of a vote. That section of the country should've been treated as a third world country because the mindset to keep slavery reflected one as barbaric as that condemned now from the Taliban.

Fast forward to George W. Bush and the Neoconservatism movement. Suddenly, it was fashionable to be a redneck, fashionable to be a country hick from the backwoods, fashionable to be white trash, and fashionable to align oneself with the political party supported by the klan. It was called a "Contract with America." Support a foreign policy that promotes the killing of Arabs, invade sovereign nations unprovoked, send thousands of soldiers to their deaths by lying to go to war, try to force a Democracy on regions of the country that don't want it, unload bombs on defenseless poor countries then act like swaggering thugs, incorporate a military strategy from the dark ages whose only strategic maneuver is to fight an ideology with bigger guns and more and more and more and more and more troops. Domestically, it meant that States must fend for themselves too. Gang violence has skyrocketed. Teen rebellion has skyrocketed. Now there is body, face, tongue, eyelid piercing. The "gothic" look is in and death, blood, torture, and pain have their own youth movements. Looking like a thug is the fashion among young boys and young men. Looking like a **** is the rage among young women. No dignity. Intergity and class are gone among our youth. Britney Spears, that unattractive, no-talent has been made a star and has been harrassed as if she's worthy of the attention. She's pure white trash. TV problems flat out suck and define "low class." Gone are great actors like Gregory Peck, Marlon Brando, and Henry Fonda. Now, we have to put up with people like Owen Wilson and Will Ferrell.

No, America has always been fighting an incredible battle between an incredibly ignorant, divisive faction and one that is enlightened, inclusive, compassionate, and progressive. Maybe one day, it will get right.

So you feel that all of societies ill's can be directly attributed to the "South" or Confederate States?
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Old 02-10-2008, 01:44 AM
 
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Faith10: SOMEONE SAID, ' A NATION THAT DOES NOT RESPECT ITS PAST, CANNOT PLAN FOR ITS FUTURE." SOMEONE ELSE SAID, " IF YOU DO NOT RESPECT YOUR PAST, YOU ARE DOOMED TO REPEAT IT." AND OUR TOWN HISTORIAN, SAID, " WAR IS EVIL, IT IS INTRINSICALLY EVIL, BUT AS LONG AS THERE ARE EVIL PEOPLE IN THE WORLD, THEN GOOD PEOPLE SHOULD BE PREPARED." STAND WITH US, OR WE WILL BE DIVIDED. THE FEDERALIST PAPERS SPEAK OF FACTIONS AND THAT IS WHAT IS DESTROYING AMERICA. THE ILLEGALS DO NOT INTEGRATE, LEARN OUR CULTURE, SPEAK OUR LANGUAGE OR RESPECT THE RULE OF LAW. THEODORE ROOSEVELT SAID IT BETTER, ' ONE FLAG, ONE CULTURE, ONE COMMON LANGUAGE, ENGLISH. fAITH10, WOULD YOU WANT MEDICAL PERSONNEL AROUND A SURGICAL TABLE, WITH YOU ON IT, SPEAKING DIFFERENT LANGUAGES WITH NO COMMON ONE? REMEMBER THE LESSON IN THE 'TOWER OF BABEL' BINLE READING? OR DID I COMMIT A FAUX PAUX BY MENTIONING SOMETHING RELIGIOUS? COME ON FAITH, A NAME WITH GREAT MEANING, INCLUDES FAITH IN WHAT MADE AMERICA GREAT....THE RULE OF LAW.
I agree with what you say, I was only referring to one poster who harps on the same thing in a narrow minded way.

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Old 02-10-2008, 01:58 AM
 
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Than obviously you should take another U.S History class.
You could learn a lot here if you would only listen.
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Old 02-10-2008, 02:08 AM
 
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Look around, ....we've hit bottom, and it was 'conservatives' who led us there.

The 'race' now is to climb back off the bottom,

...and another generation will do that, and they'll do it without Buchanan.
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Illegal immigration caused us to hit bottom, and neither party stopped it because of their big plan.
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Old 02-10-2008, 02:14 AM
 
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The liberal elites like to think that we have no "culture" of our own - that we can just change because someone coming in (illegally, to boot) wants something different. I think these elites have NO clue about what it's like to actually live in a so-called "multicultural" neighborhood. They have their mansions far away from anyone who actually has to live with the problems that are produced by illegal immigration. They don't deal with the gangs, they don't deal with living next door to a flop-house that used to be a nice family house, they don't deal with jobs being taken away by people who send the money back home and don't pay their share of taxes-yet get benefits, etc.

TOO BAD. We DO have a history, a culture, a set of values, laws, traditions. So-called "multiculturalism" can only go so far - accepting people from all over the world legally which we do, appreciating THEIR culture but not allowing it to take over ours, and allowing these people to become true Americans, who actually love this country as much as we do.

Multiculturalism is NOT letting people come in illegally, bite the hand that feeds them, and then spit in our faces and demand their "rights". THAT is not what it's all about. But, these rich elites (like all those silly movie "stars" that open their mouths in public) have NO clue because they are rich, and can live life any way they want, unlike the rest of us.
It not this the truth! I see Pres. Bush driving through his acres of property and speaking about immigration. Maybe he and the rest should live for a month in the border wars areas and the L.A. gang ghettos, they may come out with a whole new view of illegal immigration in America!
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