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Old 02-02-2008, 02:12 AM
 
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America cannot possibly continue to exist with all the factions and deep devide over virtually all important issues. There is VERY LITTLE if anything we really agree upon as a nation anymore. Many believe that is not a right to associate with those of our choosing and doing such should cause Official and unofficial sanctions. We would have NEVER believed that would have happened just 25 years ago.
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Old 02-02-2008, 06:34 AM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Well; the pendulum is swinging against multiculturalism now--------the illegal immigrants 'rights' marches almost two years ago was the final straw IMHO.

Living here in Arizona I am starting to feel more like an American in my own country again.

And; as most of you know, I am first US born generation on my father's side
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Old 02-02-2008, 10:49 AM
 
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Let's not forget the interesting "value" of certain cultures allowed into our country who eat our pets....just doesn't "set well" with me (no pun intended).
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Old 02-02-2008, 11:16 AM
 
Location: Oklahoma(formerly SoCalif) Originally Mich,
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Please stop talking about the past, you were not there. Please talk only about the here and now and what you have seen yourself.
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That will limit your words here no doubt.

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Old 02-04-2008, 12:16 PM
 
Location: Mass
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Faith10: SOMEONE SAID, ' A NATION THAT DOES NOT RESPECT ITS PAST, CANNOT PLAN FOR ITS FUTURE." SOMEONE ELSE SAID, " IF YOU DO NOT RESPECT YOUR PAST, YOU ARE DOOMED TO REPEAT IT." AND OUR TOWN HISTORIAN, SAID, " WAR IS EVIL, IT IS INTRINSICALLY EVIL, BUT AS LONG AS THERE ARE EVIL PEOPLE IN THE WORLD, THEN GOOD PEOPLE SHOULD BE PREPARED." STAND WITH US, OR WE WILL BE DIVIDED. THE FEDERALIST PAPERS SPEAK OF FACTIONS AND THAT IS WHAT IS DESTROYING AMERICA. THE ILLEGALS DO NOT INTEGRATE, LEARN OUR CULTURE, SPEAK OUR LANGUAGE OR RESPECT THE RULE OF LAW. THEODORE ROOSEVELT SAID IT BETTER, ' ONE FLAG, ONE CULTURE, ONE COMMON LANGUAGE, ENGLISH. fAITH10, WOULD YOU WANT MEDICAL PERSONNEL AROUND A SURGICAL TABLE, WITH YOU ON IT, SPEAKING DIFFERENT LANGUAGES WITH NO COMMON ONE? REMEMBER THE LESSON IN THE 'TOWER OF BABEL' BINLE READING? OR DID I COMMIT A FAUX PAUX BY MENTIONING SOMETHING RELIGIOUS? COME ON FAITH, A NAME WITH GREAT MEANING, INCLUDES FAITH IN WHAT MADE AMERICA GREAT....THE RULE OF LAW.
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Old 02-04-2008, 12:20 PM
 
Location: Mass
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Faith10: Sorry, But The Historian's Quote Was, "war Is Evil, It Is Intrinsically Evil, But As Long As There Are Evil People In The World, Good People Must Stand Ready!"
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Old 02-04-2008, 12:48 PM
 
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Mariachis, Chinese New Year, and dozens of comparable events and "things" don't represent core values--they are outward expressions--MOST of which cause no harm. But DEEPER cultural values CAN cause harm, and they, TOO are part of "culture"...things which conflict with OUR culture...like "sex with kiddies"---or "forced marriage"....or "wife beating".....or "honor killings"....or "private acts of revenge". These things are all cutural values. They are seen as "wrong" in our culture. We can make laws against some of them, but not all, and we can't 'make' people believe they're 'wrong'. A time could come when enough people get together and lobby to legalize some of these things, because of 'culture'.

It's NOT a far-out idea. It's already happened in a small way. A few years ago, up near Stockton (may have been in Tracy) a group of Sikhs sued the school board. Their young male kiddies (6 years and up) are 'required" to wear a ceremonial curved dagger. It's a sign of manhood, and it was stated they felt "naked" without it.

Needless to say, in "our" culture, we DON'T allow kids to come to school with daggers- OR knives, OR guns, OR brass knuckles, etc. That's OUR culture.

I don't know how it came out, but my POINT is, it WAS considered. There WAS a long series of court actions, and "somebody" tried to "push" this. It was a "clash" of incompatible values. Next time, a BIGGER group may WIN such a lawsuit, and something "unthinkable" (like carrying daggers to school) may become "OK"--for SOME of us, even while it remains "not OK" for the rest. Are we ready for that type of multiculturalism?
Just for record "culture" is not static. People learn culture it is not genetic. Sure we can try to shape and maintain a specific culture but eventually it will change. I know someone said let's only talk about the here and now but we got to the now but our ever changing culture. The Romans, Greeks, Normans, etc. have invaded other societies and influenced or even changed the culture of those societies. The culture we know today in the United States is not the same culture of those 50, 100, or 200 years ago. The problem people have is when culture changes too fast or shocks the current cultural system and conflicts with their core values. Core values are not culture but a subset of culture and specific to those who share them... religious, ethnic, familial, etc.

Let's face it, we can slow the pace of a changing culture but we can never stop it. Each generation (baby boomer's, X, Y, etc.) will have its own culture.
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Old 02-04-2008, 03:06 PM
 
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Buchanan disses ideology by substituting his own version of ideology.

Few are as ideologically constrained as Buchanan has shown himself to be, from his outmoded libertarian leanings to his outdated 'white man should rule' rants, he's nothing if not an old style ideologue himself.

Anyone who thinks todays partisan politics is anything other than the norm, hasn't spent much time looking at history.

If anything, divisiveness is less today than many times in our political past.

But what of the future?

That future will be carved out by the younger people who are replacing an older generation, ....a younger generation not constrained by the likes of Buchanan's style of ideology or any other strict ideological 'norm'.

Buchanan, and the rest of the 'idealist' boomers are on the way out.


washingtonpost.com - nation, world, technology and Washington area news and headlines

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The Boomers Had Their Day. Make Way for the Millennials.

Civic generations react against the idealist generations' efforts to use politics to advance their own moral causes and focus instead on reenergizing social, political and government institutions to solve pressing national issues.

Civic generations are committed to political involvement and believe in using and strengthening political and government institutions.

Unlike the young baby boomers, millennials want to strengthen the political system, not tear it down.

Luckily, the millennial generation, ... is arriving right on time to deliver just what America needs.
Change is coming, .....folks like Buchanan don't like seeing their idea of who should be in charge changing.

It's the same old story which plays out whenever the status quo is challenged,

....they can wish it weren't so, they can wail about their loss of the 'glories' of their past,

....but they won't be able to stop change....
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Old 02-04-2008, 04:09 PM
 
Location: Missouri of course
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Buchanan disses ideology by substituting his own version of ideology.


Buchanan, and the rest of the 'idealist' boomers are on the way out.

Change is coming, .....folks like Buchanan don't like seeing their idea of who should be in charge changing.
There is nothing wrong with ideology at all. If there was then Obama would not be doing so well. Obama is also an idealist that you seem to hate so much. I don't like the change and don't look forward to people in power allowing our country to be overrun with people who hate us and want to see the country as a northern Mexico. It seems that the illegals had no gumption to try and change their country but all seem to want to change this country to what they ran from, which makes no sense at all. BTW, Buchanan has never been a liberatarian. he has always been an old style conservative. Please know the meaning of words before you use them.
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Old 02-04-2008, 06:42 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Buchanan disses ideology by substituting his own version of ideology.

Few are as ideologically constrained as Buchanan has shown himself to be, from his outmoded libertarian leanings to his outdated 'white man should rule' rants, he's nothing if not an old style ideologue himself.

Anyone who thinks todays partisan politics is anything other than the norm, hasn't spent much time looking at history.

If anything, divisiveness is less today than many times in our political past.

But what of the future?

That future will be carved out by the younger people who are replacing an older generation, ....a younger generation not constrained by the likes of Buchanan's style of ideology or any other strict ideological 'norm'.

Buchanan, and the rest of the 'idealist' boomers are on the way out.


washingtonpost.com - nation, world, technology and Washington area news and headlines



Change is coming, .....folks like Buchanan don't like seeing their idea of who should be in charge changing.

It's the same old story which plays out whenever the status quo is challenged,

....they can wish it weren't so, they can wail about their loss of the 'glories' of their past,

....but they won't be able to stop change....
.
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It figures that a nonsensical rant like that would quote the WaPo. It sounds to me like User2 thinks that an 'American culture' is passe and has no place in the 21st Century 'global village'. I hate to be the bearer of bad news User2, but the result of your 'New Utopia' will be the complete destruction of the middle class and will destroy ANY chance of anyone rising above the level of 'cog' in the New World Order machine.

Is that the future you want to bequeath to your grandchildren???
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