ILLEGAL immigration (giving birth, spokesman, healthcare, education)

[Preaching2thechoir]

Originally Posted by ProLogic

Ok fair enough. So you disagree with the wet foot/ dry foot policy right? The government is giving citizenship to people who, as you said: do not feel they should apply to live in America, they don't want to "wait in line".

That's a policy that needs to be rescinded along with the 14th Amendment. But that doesn't justify the invasion of 30 million (and counting) Mexican nationals bulldozing their way into America and dropping a trail of babies like bread crumbs while expecting our tax dollars to pay for their breeding habits simply because they managed to sneak past border patrol.

[ProLogic]

Originally Posted by Preaching2thechoir

That's a policy that needs to be rescinded along with the 14th Amendment. But that doesn't justify the invasion of 30 million (and counting) Mexican nationals bulldozing their way into America and dropping a trail of babies like bread crumbs while expecting our tax dollars to pay for their breeding habits simply because they managed to sneak past border patrol.

Actually there are 20 or so million according to the immigrationcounter. But we may never know how many there are. And only HALF of those are from Mexico, the other half are from other countries. And for the record, I only know one illegal who gets welfare from the government. Long story short, she gets welfare for her kids who were born here and have an American father.

[geeoro]

Wet foot/Dry foot ? Sounds like a medical complaint. All i am saying is that for some reason the borders have not been closed to thousands of ILLEGAL immigrants. Yet there are people who are willing to go by due process and wait in line. They deserve the chance to be in the USA, yet the ILLEGALS attract all the sympathy and are defended for commiting a ILLEGAL act and thumbing their noses at the American Immigration rules.

[Arizona Bound]

ONLY HALF... ONLY..
so only half of all the abuse.. is from mexican illegals, only half of all the trillions of AMERICAN tax dollars spent on illegals is caused from mexican illegals... so ONLY half of the murders, dui's, rapes, child molesters, and so-on are from mexican illegals.. the other half is from all the other illegals combined.. that says ALOT FOR THOSE WONDERFUL MEXICANS!

[Preaching2thechoir]

Originally Posted by ProLogic

Actually there are 20 or so million according to the immigrationcounter. But we may never know how many there are. And only HALF of those are from Mexico, the other half are from other countries. And for the record, I only know one illegal who gets welfare from the government. Long story short, she gets welfare for her kids who were born here and have an American father.

As much as you'd like to think its half you're wrong. Again, show me that link as well. You can't keep pulling figures out of a hat to justify your pro illegal alien stance. Mexican nationals have invaded this country in numbers far beyond 10 million. Simply because you only know 1 illegal alien family on welfare means? Right: nothing.

I wish we could post links on here, you'd be a puddle when I finished flooding this thread with links that prove you 100% wrong. States all over America are signing up for 287(g) to get rid of the estimated 30 million MEXICAN NATIONALS that have crossed our borders. The breeders are notorious for waiting until they feel their labor pains before running across the border to give birth.

[geeoro]

Half sounds great if it was half of 2 or 4 or even 8. But half of 20 million plus. wow that sounds like a WHOLE lot of trouble.

[geeoro]

So if you only know one and everybody else only knows one. That adds up to ONE hell of a lot.

[ProLogic]

Originally Posted by Arizona Bound

ONLY HALF... ONLY..
so only half of all the abuse.. is from mexican illegals, only half of all the trillions of AMERICAN tax dollars spent on illegals is caused from mexican illegals... so ONLY half of the murders, dui's, rapes, child molesters, and so-on are from mexican illegals.. the other half is from all the other illegals combined.. that says ALOT FOR THOSE WONDERFUL MEXICANS!

Again, race is not the issue. stop making it the main argument because its not. Trillions of dollars? Might I ask for the source please?

[ProLogic]

Originally Posted by Preaching2thechoir

As much as you'd like to think its half you're wrong. Again, show me that link as well. You can't keep pulling figures out of a hat to justify your pro illegal alien stance. Mexican nationals have invaded this country in numbers far beyond 10 million. Simply because you only know 1 illegal alien family on welfare means? Right: nothing.

I wish we could post links on here, you'd be a puddle when I finished flooding this thread with links that prove you 100% wrong. States all over America are signing up for 287(g) to get rid of the estimated 30 million MEXICAN NATIONALS that have crossed our borders. The breeders are notorious for waiting until they feel their labor pains before running across the border to give birth.

I know a lot of states are passing immigration laws. Yet they are the states who don't have significant illegal populations. The day will be when California and Texas pass those laws. Only then we will know.

[Preaching2thechoir]

Hispanics receiving services on rise

Evan Belanger

For 29 years, John Gibson has provided a public service.

As a state employee, he administers the federal government’s food-stamp program in Morgan County. Established in 1964, the program has fed millions of hungry children and adults, most often in single-parent households.

But in recent years, Gibson has noticed a change in his clientele.

In ever increasing numbers, his office has provided food-stamp benefits to the U.S.-born children of illegal Hispanic immigrants.

While the benefits are prorated according to the number of non-citizens in the household, Gibson said, the influx is taxing his staff, which frequently needs translators.

800 percent increase

Since 2001, the number of non-citizens living in Morgan County food-stamp households has climbed more than 800 percent, from 36 to 289, according government records.

Despite the increase, Gibson said, he is not short of federal funding and his superiors have encouraged him to proceed with outreach programs — an effort to help more qualifying people apply for food stamps.

“It appears, from my point of view, that the funding is never ending,” he said.

At other government offices and some charities, officials reported similar increases. They said the influx is taxing their ability to provide services.

At the Morgan County Health Department, spokeswoman Craven Gibbs said increasing numbers of Spanish-speaking immigrants have forced them to utilize translators.

“It’s taxing on the system, because it takes a lot more time,” she said.

Unlike the food-stamp office, she said, the Health Department is legally required to provide service to anyone who walks in.

“We take care of them just like we take care of everyone else,” she said. “That’s our mission.”

The local Salvation Army also reported an increase.

According to spokeswoman Valerie Cohen, services provided to Hispanics through the Salvation Army food bank and clothing store jumped from four individuals in December to 29 in January.

“I don’t know if it’s because there’s been such an influx of them, or if it’s because the economy has gone to pot, or maybe they’re just realizing services can be obtained,” she said.

Cohen said the Salvation Army is meeting the demand but donations have declined slightly in recent years.

“God always sends us what we need right in the nick of time,” she said.

At Decatur City Schools, officials said the number of students who speak mostly Spanish has been climbing steadily for years.

Since the school started its English Language Learners program in 1993, it has expanded from 27 students to 1,022 students this year. That’s about 10 percent of the school system’s student population.

According to Superintendent Sam Houston, that leaves the school system with difficult challenges.

He said federal legislation mandates that Spanish-speaking students participate in required annual proficiency tests after just one year in the ELL program. But research shows it takes five to seven years to become academically proficient in a new language.

“That would literally be the same as taking my child or your child and sitting them down in front of a test totally in Spanish when they’d only had Spanish I,” he said.

The result is poor test scores that damage the schools system’s standing and the child’s self-esteem, he said.

Schools that don’t meet minimum proficiency levels for multiple years face a host of penalties, including loss of federal funding. Houston said all of Decatur’s schools are in the clear this year.

Other challenges, Houston said, include funding the federally mandated ESL program.

He said the school system spent more than $750,000 on the program in 2007 but received only $180,000 from the state to pay for it.

“It’s an unfunded mandate,” he said. “We have to provide significant local funds to meet that mandate.”

Federal law prohibits the school system from turning any child away, regardless of whether they are documented.

While the influx continues in Decatur, it could be slowing soon, experts say.

According to Allen F. Burns, a professor of anthropology at the University of Florida, the nation’s slowing economy is leading many immigrants to return to their country of origin and enticing fewer to come.

He said Hispanic immigration rates have been climbing for 30 years but spiked during the past five years — the result of a booming economy.

“We just needed so many workers that there was no way for the boom to continue without getting the labor to do it,” he said. “I think it was more of a pull to our country than that things were so bad off in theirs.”

Burns also said “almost virulent” anti-immigrant laws and attitudes are contributing to many immigrants leaving.

“I know so many immigrants that are kind of holed up in their houses waiting to go back to Latin America,” he said.



*This is just numbers for ONE County.