What Illegal Immigration Costs Black People

[Bhaalspawn]

Originally Posted by maco81

Trust me, illegals are costing everybody INCLUDING BLACKS. If Black people really wanted the kind ofjobs these so called illegal aliens are taking then they too would be out there on the side of the road like these people. what i have personally seen is no black people even attempting to accept a job that latinos are willing to take. how many black folk do you see picking grapes in california, or onions in the rio grande valley in texas? the truth is that these immigrants aren't taking anyone's job because they are taking the jobs no one else wants!

There isn't any such thing as a job that Americans won't do--for the right price. That's the issue. If the price/wages were set by an Americans-only free market, then the prices would increase until Americans were willing to do the work, which is the way it should be. Any politician or commentator who claims that the illegals are doing jobs Americans won't do has confessed to having failed to understand basic economics.

How would you feel if foreigners who were fully capable of doing your job offered to do it for 1/2 price? What if Americans who were displaced by global labor arbitrage (mass immigration, work visas, offshoring) retrained to enter your field and then offered to do your job for 1/2 your current wage?

[Bhaalspawn]

Originally Posted by maco81

No one Should be called illegal. Black people don't want certain words to refer to them, latinos don't need Illegal to refer to them. to call a latino illegal is not only degrading but racist as well. so the next time a black person refers to an immigrant as illegal, remember how it feels to be called a word you don't like

Should we stop calling criminals, "criminals"? Should we stop calling child molesters, "child molesters"? Should we stop calling rapists, "rapists"?

The illegal aliens are in the country illegally, right? They blatantly violated our nation's laws and invaded the country. If they have a right to receive a clean, sanitary bullet through the back of the head, then by god it's OK for us to call them "Illegals".

By the way, if I were elected, I could essentially eliminate our problem with illegal immigration almost overnight and the illegals would want to "self-deport". America can end its problem with illegal immigration easily; it's just a matter of having the will to do it.

[Bhaalspawn]

It should be noted that one political strategy we can use in combating illegal immigration is to try to get Blacks to see it as an issue related to their own self interest. Politically, if Blacks united and came out against illegal immigration and mass legal immigration, seeing it as a policy that shortchanges them, it would have a large influence on the political landscape for the Democrats.

[ArizonaBear]

Originally Posted by Bhaalspawn

If you owned a business and depended on it for your income and had everything you owned and your family's future invested in it, would you want to hire someone whom you sincerely believed had a greater chance of being a bad employee?

Why do you think employers harbor this racism if it's irrational? If black employees were more profitable, in general, than white employees then couldn't some businesses make a killing by hiring only black employees? Is there a small chance that the discrimination might have a basis in reality? Perhaps those blacks who have African-sounding names or at least names that stick out, such as Lawanda, Poowana, Islam, Tayshaun aren't particularly profitable as a result of the probability that they were indoctrinated with "African culture" or inner city, ghetto culture?

I'm not saying that any of it is true. I think that everyone deserves to be evaluated on an individual, merit-based basis. However, I just wanted to pose the questions and get the issues out there. I suspect that in the real, business world, there's a big difference between idealism and practicality.

Unfortunately; you are onto something there.

My birth name is a stereotypical Hungarian one-------and, my surname sounds Hispanic/Italian/East Indian/Arabic. Name was changed almost 20 years ago to a generic 'WASP' one.

Note that I am Nordic White in appearance------which many times cancelled out the perception that a prospective employer had about my 'appearance' during a phone interview.

[ArizonaBear]

Originally Posted by Bhaalspawn

It should be noted that one political strategy we can use in combating illegal immigration is to try to get Blacks to see it as an issue related to their own self interest. Politically, if Blacks united and came out against illegal immigration and mass legal immigration, seeing it as a policy that shortchanges them, it would have a large influence on the political landscape for the Democrats.

That is already occurring.

Hillary is pandering to the 'Hispanic' community (read that the illegal ones) which is starting to really enrage our Black citizens who are now voting for Obama in droves in the Democratic primary.

Now; factoring in Anglo Whites who too are migrating towards Obama, they are the 'tipping point' which may clinch his nomination.

Connect the dots.

[carolac]

Until we can get the laws passed where employers are sanctioned for hiring illegal aliens, there will be exploitation. I read an article written by a female employer who was very upset about the fact that her state, Oklahoma, had passed the law sanctioning her for hiring illegal aliens. The bottom line was that she didn't want to pay the wages Americans, black or white, require to live. She said she would just have to pass the cost onto the consumer. Her employment costs have gone up so these stupid Americans who passed the law will have to pay the price. It's those types of employers we, as Americans, need to boycott. I think the sanction should include employers who "know" their employees are getting their green cards and work papers illegally on the black market.

If someone is working in this country legitimately, I have no problem with that. I have no problem with diversity. I do have a problem handing over free medical care, food stamps, car seats, education, that a black or white American can't qualify for to people who are illegally in this country and not paying taxes (see Parkway General Hospital in Texas, for example).

Illegal aliens are costing blacks and whites jobs also because they stick together. A black or white person will not have a problem hiring a Hispanic to do a job if they are qualified. But a Hispanic will generally hire a Hispanic to do a construction-type job even if they require more money or will do a worse job. This has absolutely nothing to do with prejudice on either side.

[Bhaalspawn]

Originally Posted by ArizonaBear

That is already occurring.

Hillary is pandering to the 'Hispanic' community (read that the illegal ones) which is starting to really enrage our Black citizens who are now voting for Obama in droves in the Democratic primary.

Now; factoring in Anglo Whites who too are migrating towards Obama, they are the 'tipping point' which may clinch his nomination.

You know, I really hadn't put two-and-two together in those regards, but perhaps you're right. Perhaps Hillary is encouraging blacks to support Obama by pandering to Hispanics. However, it should be noted that Obama's position on immigration isn't any better and that he co-sponsored the McCain-Kennedy amnesty bill.